Welfare legendary is completely appropriate.
The other legendaries required drops that would either be very hard bosses, or one per person. The most dedicated raiders or officers, those that commited the most to the team and game and were loyal were rewarded with the legendary, it meant to something to be the designated recipient of the legendary. I remember shadowmourne going to the officer that had helped organise raids and stuff. It took time, some difficulty in parts, and dedication . You had a loot council , you had guild drama (which was interesting at least), you had people missing one week and getting set back, you had the eager people trying to get the second one.
The legendary cloak is incredibly impersonal and pretty mcuh shows the direction of the game.
The cloak does not require dedication nor skill, and everyone can have it.
It is the defenition of welfare legendary, the only thing you have to do is raid consistently to get it.
Last edited by mmoc29e379a7c7; 2013-09-17 at 01:18 AM.
Some people found the solo challenge difficult, heck I have friends that are normal/heroic raiders, and have a huge leap up on my gear power wise, and were banging their heads on the wall, while, me with my 505ilevel nailed it after 4 attempts, albeit it was quite long due to me having lower damage and taking longer to burn him down.
But they weren't having problems because of being bad players, but because some classes struggled more than others.
Everyones skill level is different, what you find easy others may find challenging, that doesn't make them bad players.
Well you can be mad all you want but you're still wearing at welfare legendary cloak.
No not really I got my cloak by afk'ing in LFR I didn't do shit this expansion I didn't even do many normals lol so in this case all I had to do was play the entire expansion without any effort hell the fucking celestial challenge was a joke since my experience in raiding is quite high so I destroyed that and left with a cloak that took no effort whatsoever I can see the challenge being hard to some players I won't lie about that.
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Last edited by Resentful; 2013-09-17 at 01:23 AM.
I started halfway through 5.3 (I created this char, I wasn't lazy), still got it now this week and I was most definitely not lucky with Secrets/Runestones. You did fuck around (you didn't clear ToT every lockout obviously) and that's why you don't have your cape now.
Bad RNG or not, it's impossible not to have it if you didn't start just recently or fucked around.
At worst possible luck, you'll need 32 weeks to get all secrets and runestones. That's more than half a year. Add to that that they didn't even drop guaranteed from Lei Shen during the first weeks of ToT, and you can easily run into people who did in fact not get all their rune stones before 5.4 hit simply because they didn't drop.
No, you only needed 24 people who could down him without you and were willing to hand you the glaives. Unlikely, but not impossible.
Last edited by huth; 2013-09-17 at 01:27 AM.
Bothers me very much, both the statement itself and the community trend it represents. True, this was a much more accessible legendary, but it certainly was easy to get - getting the cloak even from LFR takes a lot of patience and work, even if it is just a simple grind that takes little/no skill to do. Is there a place for other types of legendaries? Of course - and I think Blizzard failed to provide that this expansion - but it doesn't make the cloaks bad, or 'welfare', or undeserved.
The cloak is a reward for simply doing things - it certainly isn't just given to you, but it does not represent (nor is it meant to represent) and achievement of skill. It is a reward for spending the time to get it, and it should be treated as such. These types of rewards are not bad things, especially because they are 'difficult' to get, if only because of the length of time it takes to get them.
The sentiment behind this thought irks me a lot because it's a trend within the WoW community, and my biggest problem with the 'game' itself (it's not really a problem with the game, more like a problem with the community). The incesseant griping, the need to complain about casual gamers, these things annoy me so much.
Last edited by Monteverdi; 2013-09-17 at 01:26 AM.
I think welfare legendary is a good way to describe it. With other legendaries, you had to usually do some sort of big achievement like kill KJ or Illidian, and then get massively lucky on top of that. This one just requires doing a lot of LFR which isn't that hard, getting a 5 man group to kill an elite, win 2 bg's, and the celestial challenge, which takes most like 15 minutes. Was kinda disappointing, and it makes new guys have trouble breaking into pve because most good groups will expect you to have the cloak already. Almost makes it a deterrent to gear up a new alt.
I afk'd in LFRs before my normal/heroic raids to get the quest items. It is a welfare item PER DEFINITION and there's nothing wrong calling it that.
I like the cape as a reward, I like the idea of the cape being from a long, long quest line. In fact, I love it! And I hope Blizzard has more of those ideas. But I still consider it a welfare legendary.