This is why tanks are quitting lfr.

[Sorrior]

When I played WoW my biggest issue was learning the role...Gods I swear the hate and bile you'd get....Especially when trying to actually work with others...

Sooo yeah I feel OP pain..

Also not everyone has a raiding guild...Biggest thing I got was"get better with your guild then come here"....

[Dorothyjean]

I always have fun while tanking so its not an issue for me, however, Blizzard does need to do something about LFR in regards to Tanks. Outside of 2-3 healers and maybe 2/3 of the DPS ... if a Tank messes up, its a wipe. If 2-3 healers go for coffee and 6-7 DPS go take their dog for a walk -- they can and will still get Loot for doing nothing.

The Tanks, primarily, are the only ones who have to actually do what is necessary with healers and some dps being secondary and tertiary. Some of the tanks I've grouped with on LFR are utterly tired of the bullshit they have to put up with so a bunch of retards, lamers and lazy idiots get loot for doing absolutely nothing.

[jbombard]

LFR sucks for everybody, sucky groups aren't a problem unique to healers or tanks. One of the reason queues are so long as because you are splitting the potential player pool over so many different instances. Also because doing a wing that you don't need gear from isn't very rewarding.(especially when you consider the crappy groups you have to put up with more often than not) You end up with only needing gear from the first boss, which will have people bail right after they finish that boss. Or not needing gear from the whole instance meaning they won't even queue for it. So you end up with people not wanting to do the same instances making it harder to get enough people who want to do/finish the same instance.

[Tisane]

For me, ToT LFR itself is a HUGE pain in the ass again since 5.4 got here with it's timeless isle gear. In the last ± 8 weeks I've been raiding ToT LFR on my alts for their legendary quests, and atleast 90% of the group consists timeless isle geared AFKing, raging (yes, the only moment they're not afk, is when they're raging) players. ToT LFR is in my opinion currently worse than it was in the first few weeks after ToT LFR got released. I don't even want to start about Durumu (but I am); ENDLESS wipes because of people AFKing. There is no point explaining the tactics all over again after a wipe, because they simply won't listen and just go afk again once the fight starts. Random person: ''You do know you can vote kick players, right?''. No, you can't, because there are actually so many AFKers in ToT that you won't be able to get the minimum requirement of votes needed. Half of the time you won't even finish the raid after hours of endless wiping, because the AFKers cba to AFK for more wipes anymore and just pretty much disband the raid.

/end of rant

You have my respect, OP. Imo it takes quite a bit of courage to both Tank LFR and join for LFR ToT.

[jupiter11600]

For me, ToT LFR itself is a HUGE pain in the ass again since 5.4 got here with it's timeless isle gear.

This could very well be the issue, I mean i tanked ToT when it was current in LFR but i think that had to have been the worst experience I've had yet in ToT. No one knew what the hell was going on but everything was my fault. Don't get me wrong i mean my monk was in a lot of welfare isle gear, But i was gemmed/reforged/etc and I've got other toons that I've tanked it and others on, This was just one of my many neglected alts as i figured no reason to run on one of my more geared toons. She was not under geared for it, But yeah.

[Marxman]

I had a similar experience last week with a Brazilian co-tank.

We get through Iron Jugg with me tanking him 75% of the time and the other tank ignoring crawler mines and turning the boss the wrong way etc. Whatever. We killed it, moving on. We get to Shaman, the guy has no clue what's going on. He's tanking Wavebinder inside storm clouds. He's not taunting haromm, I'm up to 10 stacks. I start yelling in raid chat for him to taunt Haromm, I taunt his boss hoping it'll give him a hint like "hey, maybe we should switch!". No such luck. He ignores me, continues taunting Kardris back into storm clouds. I die of course, getting up to 25 stacks of Haromm's debuff is quite painful. Still, the other tank stands in storm clouds oblivious.

Here's the part I made a mistake with. I got battle rezzed... I didn't take it. It was a wipe, and I refused to tank with this non-english-speaking imbecile any more. So I cancelled 3 rezzes on me, thinking no one would notice and we could vote kick this idiot after the wipe. People start SCREAMING at me in raid chat that I wasn't accepting rezzes and needed to be kicked... I was blown away. They hadn't said a damned word to this guy standing in the bad and getting me killed, but if I don't accept a rez to die a 2nd time, BURN HIM!

So they kicked me, and not the Brazilian who was clueless and spoke zero English.

This is why good tanks don't do LFR anymore. LFRtards are too dumb to figure out which tank is the one causing issues, so they just point at the one they see first and start yelling.

[jbombard]

I had a similar experience last week with a Brazilian co-tank.

We get through Iron Jugg with me tanking him 75% of the time and the other tank ignoring crawler mines and turning the boss the wrong way etc. Whatever. We killed it, moving on. We get to Shaman, the guy has no clue what's going on. He's tanking Wavebinder inside storm clouds. He's not taunting haromm, I'm up to 10 stacks. I start yelling in raid chat for him to taunt Haromm, I taunt his boss hoping it'll give him a hint like "hey, maybe we should switch!". No such luck. He ignores me, continues taunting Kardris back into storm clouds. I die of course, getting up to 25 stacks of Haromm's debuff is quite painful. Still, the other tank stands in storm clouds oblivious.

Here's the part I made a mistake with. I got battle rezzed... I didn't take it. It was a wipe, and I refused to tank with this non-english-speaking imbecile any more. So I cancelled 3 rezzes on me, thinking no one would notice and we could vote kick this idiot after the wipe. People start SCREAMING at me in raid chat that I wasn't accepting rezzes and needed to be kicked... I was blown away. They hadn't said a damned word to this guy standing in the bad and getting me killed, but if I don't accept a rez to die a 2nd time, BURN HIM!

So they kicked me, and not the Brazilian who was clueless and spoke zero English.

This is why good tanks don't do LFR anymore. LFRtards are too dumb to figure out which tank is the one causing issues, so they just point at the one they see first and start yelling.

Long story short you got angry at another player, had a temper tantrum and refused to do your job to the best of your ability and potentially prevent a wipe, and then were surprised you when you got kicked.

[Paula Deen]

As I DPS, I can say with the introduction of Flex/Normal in WoD I will no longer be running LFR at the beginning of tiers, like I previously was, I have a strong feeling alot of people, be it tanks, heals, and dps, are going to be doing the same thing unless people get there acts together. LFR is so pitiful its disgusting, I honestly do not understand why its still in game if it is catering to a denominator so low that we do not understand eachother. To put it in perspective, in order to get a clear for my OCD on Armory I had to sign up on Openraid because I was wiping constantly on the Trash before Blackfuse and Shamans in LFR

[Deleted]

So maybe instead of complaining about this sort of thing on the forums...why didn't you...I don't know...DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT? It only takes 3 votes to kick someone if LFR. If the other tank was really that bad then why didn't you try to kick him? You aren't the victim here even if you think you would like to be. It WAS the tanks fault that the raid wiped in this case. Next time do something about it instead of just complaining.

Can't kick during combat

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I had a similar experience last week with a Brazilian co-tank.

We get through Iron Jugg with me tanking him 75% of the time and the other tank ignoring crawler mines and turning the boss the wrong way etc. Whatever. We killed it, moving on. We get to Shaman, the guy has no clue what's going on. He's tanking Wavebinder inside storm clouds. He's not taunting haromm, I'm up to 10 stacks. I start yelling in raid chat for him to taunt Haromm, I taunt his boss hoping it'll give him a hint like "hey, maybe we should switch!". No such luck. He ignores me, continues taunting Kardris back into storm clouds. I die of course, getting up to 25 stacks of Haromm's debuff is quite painful. Still, the other tank stands in storm clouds oblivious.

Here's the part I made a mistake with. I got battle rezzed... I didn't take it. It was a wipe, and I refused to tank with this non-english-speaking imbecile any more. So I cancelled 3 rezzes on me, thinking no one would notice and we could vote kick this idiot after the wipe. People start SCREAMING at me in raid chat that I wasn't accepting rezzes and needed to be kicked... I was blown away. They hadn't said a damned word to this guy standing in the bad and getting me killed, but if I don't accept a rez to die a 2nd time, BURN HIM!

So they kicked me, and not the Brazilian who was clueless and spoke zero English.

This is why good tanks don't do LFR anymore. LFRtards are too dumb to figure out which tank is the one causing issues, so they just point at the one they see first and start yelling.

At this point you just sound angry and no better than the "lfrtards"

[DrStiglit]

Yes the majority should suffer because the minority are assholes.

So the minority, being tanks, should suffer because the minority of decent people in lfr need them? If this is the experience new tanks continue to received then there will never be any tanks in this game... I don't blame them. I refused to tank lfr since it's inception. I have been a tank since BC.. Now I play a Warlock, no one can ask anything of me other than derps..

[Mormolyce]

I logged in yesterday to find a "tank" pulling a trash pack (before Garrosh), and then bubbling to make people get in combat, or sprinting, or shield of whatevering.

Can't kick, we're in combat.

Then he dies.

Can't kick, we're in combat.

Then everyone dies.

Can't kick, combat recently ended.

Then he's back up.

Can't kick, combat recently ended.

He pulls again, sprinting, bubbling.

Can't kick, someone is in combat.


Eventually he screwed up his cycle and we nailed a kick just as he was about to be in range of his dumb shield.

The kick rules can be incredibly frustrating and they're wide open for jerks to exploit unfortunately, I hope Blizzard looks into this eventually.

I've been getting "can't be kicked for 58 mins" on a lot of people lately. Le sigh.

[blackblade]

LFR is where dreams go to die.

[Mormolyce]

Minority? What game are you playing? 90% of everyone in LOLFR is fucking rancid.

Not at all. 90% of the ones you remember maybe.

Also assholes in groups tend to cause asshole cascades where 1-2 people being dicks makes other people angry, and then people get angry with them, and soon enough the atmosphere is really bad despite only a small number of those people actually being trolls. And also, the common perception that everyone in LFR is a troll or moron (like what you're saying here) contributes to the negative atmosphere and further encourages people to be jerks to each other or troll.

I've found that if you go into LFR and make an active effort to be nice to other people, make a few jokes, and contribute to a positive rather than negative atmosphere it actually makes a noticeable difference to how the runs go. Sometimes you still get total writeoffs, but not that often.

[jbombard]

Not at all. 90% of the ones you remember maybe.

Also assholes in groups tend to cause asshole cascades where 1-2 people being dicks makes other people angry, and then people get angry with them, and soon enough the atmosphere is really bad despite only a small number of those people actually being trolls. And also, the common perception that everyone in LFR is a troll or moron (like what you're saying here) contributes to the negative atmosphere and further encourages people to be jerks to each other or troll.

I've found that if you go into LFR and make an active effort to be nice to other people, make a few jokes, and contribute to a positive rather than negative atmosphere it actually makes a noticeable difference to how the runs go. Sometimes you still get total writeoffs, but not that often.

I think people have wildly different experiences depending on a variety of factors such as when and where they play. I agree that it is usually not a majority of the players in LFR causing problems, it is usually a few extremely vocal asshats. Most people are just being quiet hoping for it all to end. I have seen nice and funny comments returned in kind, but just as often I have seen them with hostility and comments like "STFU", which kind of leads to the whole problem of nobody wanting to say anything in LFR and the only people talking are the ones who are pissed off.

[Sorrior]

WOW gotta say. .I'd forgotten HOW bad it was....Maybe they should add a timer like SE did with FFXIV(my new MMO of choice) means if you guys don't work together from the start no bueno period.

[britishbubba]

Personally I don't tank lfr because I don't actually need another tank for most of the bosses (guess I'd need another tank for spoils, galakras, maybe shamans and maybe nazgrim), and I don't want to deal with the random OT that you usually get that just does the most random things, which usually gets people killed.

I wouldn't mind lfr as a tank if they retuned it to be 1 tankable for that difficulty tbh.

[Deleted]

I always have fun while tanking so its not an issue for me, however, Blizzard does need to do something about LFR in regards to Tanks. Outside of 2-3 healers and maybe 2/3 of the DPS ... if a Tank messes up, its a wipe. If 2-3 healers go for coffee and 6-7 DPS go take their dog for a walk -- they can and will still get Loot for doing nothing.

The Tanks, primarily, are the only ones who have to actually do what is necessary with healers and some dps being secondary and tertiary. Some of the tanks I've grouped with on LFR are utterly tired of the bullshit they have to put up with so a bunch of retards, lamers and lazy idiots get loot for doing absolutely nothing.

I fully agree, gearing up my 3rd warrior tank(dont ask ;p) and i just refuse to tank, i queue as dps, put on tank loot option and watch tv.
I would rather stab myself with a rusty spoon than tank lfr and what the community gives you

[Souflikar]

Was in 3rd wing of SOO the other night, Thok I believe. Anyway, a tank fight broke out and the fighting among the group started. Seemed like half the group was screaming to kick one tank and the other half were screaming, "Hell no, it'll take longer to queue for another one." Seems like wiping multiple times and gaining multiple stacks of determination to get the kill is the norm vs. kicking and queuing again. Honestly, I wouldn't be a tank. Nothing against the players that do but it's too much pressure and would take the fun out of the game for me. So I understand their hesitance to do lfr. I dislike kicking anyone unless they are obviously there to cause problems or spewing verbal toxins at other players who are doing their best.

[Socialhealer]

Long story short you got angry at another player, had a temper tantrum and refused to do your job to the best of your ability and potentially prevent a wipe, and then were surprised you when you got kicked.

well jokes on the guys who kicked him, that terrible tank stands a shot at getting put with another terrible tank, and instead of 1 good tank 1 bad u have 2 shit tanks, now they can QQ and kick both of those, and wait in the queue all day for 2 more, raiding dat 2 hours just for 3 bosses...damn hardcore LFR crowd playing 10 hours a week to clear the easiest mode!

[Mormolyce]

I think people have wildly different experiences depending on a variety of factors such as when and where they play. I agree that it is usually not a majority of the players in LFR causing problems, it is usually a few extremely vocal asshats. Most people are just being quiet hoping for it all to end. I have seen nice and funny comments returned in kind, but just as often I have seen them with hostility and comments like "STFU", which kind of leads to the whole problem of nobody wanting to say anything in LFR and the only people talking are the ones who are pissed off.

True, when you make a comment you never know how it'll be received, some people are angry assholes looking for an excuse to yell at other people in LFR.

A lot of them repeat the refrain about LFR being full of retards and trolls as well, which is kind of ironic. It's self-reinforcing.