Undead are actually the only "race" Blood Elves accept in the Horde. They have (/had) similar ideas and goals.
(From a lore point this is)
(http://www.wowwiki.com/Blood_elf)While they despise most other races, they have come to accept that the Forsaken are different, or at least share the same goals as the blood elves.
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Based on the conversations between Sylvanas and Lor'themar in SoO, there is definitely tension but I wouldn't go as far as to call it hatred. I think at this point they both accept that they are members of the same Horde and are capable of coexisting. Besides, I think players have had enough interfaction conflicts as of late, it would be nice for the Horde to be a nice stable family again.
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we will be ugly orcs then :P
i think they should save sylvanas for a nathrezim expansion since those guys are super into necromancy and stuff. maybe she finds some super undead magical artifacts that makes her think she can take on the horde and alliance and stop pretending to be nice to people.
unless they end up trying to turn whatevers under tirisfal into an expansion
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"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
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varian is pretty peaceful. besides his rough patch after all the slavery stuff hes always been the one to try and find a peaceful solution whenever possible, anduin is more like his father than alot of people think.
as for tyrande, shes always been pretty hotheaded and the night elves tend to be a bit douchey and xenophobic in general but she will probably calm down since saurfang will keep the orcs in check and wont let them run rampant in ashenvale and just have them stick to the plots of forest the night elves let them use.
out of all the alliance leaders id say genn is the most likely to have horde vs alliance stuff going on with gilneas.
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"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
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He's correct in that they thought they needed it to survive at the time, and truth be told, fel is very powerful stuff. It allowed them to drive back the Scourge in their homeland. It's also a form of energy that is nigh irresistible. The high elves survived through relying on the ley energies in Dalaran and Moonwells outside it. It's doubtful the blood elves could've relied on one or two arcane sanctums that they had left, and drive back the Scourge. Remember, the role of the Forsaken was by and large to provide strategic guidance, so the blood elves still had to do much of the gruntwork, particularly the Magisters and the blood elf 'hero'. Then you had Kael'thas and his campaign on Outland.
I don't see them or the orcs (and surely not the Forsaken) giving up fel any time soon, not when the Alliance is now more openly tolerating it. It is powerful magic. The sin'dorei may not use the verdant crystals any more, but there's nothing to say they have begun shunning fel.
If felbloods had some inextricable link to the Legion, and were orders of magnitude more powerful than, say, a sin'dorei warlock (which is already powerful; bear in mind the blood and high elves are described as slightly more powerful than most other playable races in the WRPG, thus why they level a bit more slowly), like the Eredar are, I'd say it's a bad idea, but they're not and a rationale can more easily be put together than, for example, Tauren paladins being druids devoted to the sun. Ditto for the San'layn. The fact that felbloods are free-willed implies they have the choice not to join the Legion, anyway, and as I said, there's very little up to date lore to suggest using fel implies courting with the Legion. There's even demons who refuse to bow to it.
Fel orcs on Outland also did not serve the Legion by and large, but Illidan.
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Start trying to work out who deserves what, and before long you’ll spend the rest of your days weeping for each and every person in the world.
Yes, it was awesome to discover Illidan was using his water from the Well of Eternity to provide a substitute for his demonic servants, and it's cool to see the green fire of the legion's demons is absent in the Illidari, as if they actually paid heed to that detail back in 2006, or if it was just a convenient coincidence they worked into the future lore.
I guess when it comes down to it, warlocks doing this, even if it's temporary, kind of turns these objections into shakey ground for me.
Context is very tricky and needs to be maintained however in each case. It's certainly a challenging topic to try and dissct and I think worthy of good conversation, I appreciate your in input, Aeluron.
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not kill them but if damaged, causes pain.
Lorthemar hates elves undead, willing to fight if sylvanas revived their dead in Orgrimmar
repit the San'layn are evil and cannibals. they should be sub-race of the forsaken because they are Evil and cannibals
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lorthemar final siege of ogrimmar said horde player
I find politics exhausting. I am confident Vol'jin will take us where we need to go.
<Lor'themar glances over Sylvanas.>
Assuming he can hold this Horde together.
They're de-canonised because Blizzard can't endorse everything within them. What they are in effect saying is that there's parts of them they can't agree with any longer; they're not saying everything in them as wrong; I think this has been mentioned in a couple of blues before. Things like the lore in them on the nature of the arcane, for instance, might since have been revised. So they will have to re-visit them one day and decide what is and isn't canon.
I also don't tend to take things like the race weight/height tables or ageing tables seriously, because it's often stuff that is contradicted by the concept art, models or other pieces of lore. However, I do tend to think the stats are one of its better parts, and a good indicator of the relative power of the races. Thus why I say the Eredar are quite clearly several orders of magnitude more powerful than, say, the draenei, or indeed any of the playable races.
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Start trying to work out who deserves what, and before long you’ll spend the rest of your days weeping for each and every person in the world.
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"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
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More variety in real life human physical appearance derives from diet than from any sort of genetic difference. It wouldn't be too outlandish for human "subraces" to be based around body types or animations. A human rigged with an undead skeleton, or an orc skeleton would probably be sufficiently different for people who wanted a subrace.
Halfbreeds could be interesting, but halfelves are a tad boring (sorry Elrond)
Mmm, I think that's a little unfair, there was "fantasy" fiction before Tolkien and the most popular was Conan and the swords and sorcery genre which was closely related to pulp fiction of the time. But Tolkien's work is very different from that genre and it's not a stretch at all to say he invented modern "high fantasy". I think his influence goes even further than that, not only having a strong effect on all other subgenres of fantasy but even spilling over into modern sci-fi and other genre fiction. In particular the concept of a fully-realised self consistent fictional universe as a backdrop to a story is something we very much owe to Tolkien. Star Wars probably wouldn't have existed without LOTR, and it in turn influenced movies to a huge degree.
It's also interesting I think to look at older works like Lord of the Rings and notice things like how little description is given to Elves and Orcs, where we take their "look" for granted today. It's part of a shift in literature in recent decades - books today are heavily influenced by the power of movies and TV in popular culture and as such have become much more visual. Modern fantasy novels for the most part give you a very clear mental image of what a fantasy race is supposed to look like. Tolkien just told you this one was "fair" and this one was "short and fat" and this one was "ugly and evil-looking". The rest was up to your imagination.
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I actually think he looks weird like this. His torso is absurdly short for his shoulder breadth.
Good lord that is one hell of a skin.
If you de-anime'd it that is pretty much what my live Orc female looks like.
IMO it's all just a trick of the textures. And his flab-concealing belt :P
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Three words, Glyph of Pickpocket :P
I don't know how WoW Elves could possibly look more macho and still look vaguely like Elves. This whole thing just strikes me as ridiculously homophobic.
IMO if you can't handle being a little bit fabulous you should not roll an Elf.
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Meets Ray Harryhausen? Reference too old?
After admiring the DoF effect in a lot of modern games I'd love to see what it'd look like in the WoW engine.
Me too lol.
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Those are really cool, can't wait for your version of the male when that comes out!
God I can't wait for Orc female.