heirloom trinket + shadow

[Kreeshak]

Is the new heirloom trinket going to be useful in AS or COP in HFC? If i am not progressing mythic, is it going to be BIS in any case?

[Kilee25]

When fighting demons, it's better than normal mode HFC trinkets, but worse than heroic mode HFC trinkets.

When not fighting demons, it's significantly weaker and thus worse than normal mode HFC trinkets.

In short it's a leveling trinket for Legion, not a progression trinket. But if you're working on normal mode HFC, I'd use it until I got to heroic, at least on a few fights.

[Deleted]

When fighting demons, it's better than normal mode HFC trinkets, but worse than heroic mode HFC trinkets.

When not fighting demons, it's significantly weaker and thus worse than normal mode HFC trinkets.

In short it's a leveling trinket for Legion, not a progression trinket. But if you're working on normal mode HFC, I'd use it until I got to heroic, at least on a few fights.

Did you do the maths from PTR or live? It seems they've removed the ICD and/or changed it to rppm, getting uptimes of 40%+ which actually makes it quite competetive with a 725 gaze of sethe, I think single target this heirloom trinket could easily be considered hard BiS for single target demon fights (zakuun) and also considered very strong for mannoroth and archimonde

[Djriff]

One of my fellow shadow priests got it in guild and was getting 60% uptime with it. That's some pretty insane numbers especially with the hotfix to archimonde that allows bonus damage to be done with it while it's procced. I plan on using it over seethe when I get it regardless of fight.

[Kilee25]

Hey, I didn't realize there was a change. That was based on numbers from PTR. My initial estimate was based on about a 25% uptime. If it's indeed double that, then it would be competitive with Mythic trinkets.

[Deleted]

On what bosses you guys think its worth using? Manna, velhari, zakuun, just these 3? And replace sethe?

[Djriff]

So while I don't have it, the other spriest in my guild does. Here's an excerpt from him using it tonight.

Tyrant - 38% Uptime

He didn't use it on any other fight, but the uptime on this is pretty gnarly as it can proc several times in a row.

[Deleted]

I like the trinket, it seems really good on very short fights, average uptime on Zakuun was 44-48%.

The 10% damage vs demons combined with ring gives you a lot of burst in short length fights.

[Deleted]

I got about 40% uptime on 3 demon bosses playing this as offspec shadow to test it in lfr (so mainspec/non lfr probs better). Heard people getting 50%+ and our dk even got 72% uptime on his melee trinket. Seems very worth on Mythic demon bosses, i wonder if its to strong and will get nerfed

[Octa]

I got about 40% uptime on 3 demon bosses playing this as offspec shadow to test it in lfr (so mainspec/non lfr probs better). Heard people getting 50%+ and our dk even got 72% uptime on his melee trinket. Seems very worth on Mythic demon bosses, i wonder if its to strong and will get nerfed

At this point in the expansion/patch I don't see the point in nerfing the trinket since Blizzard is currently ramping up their "nerfs" to HFC. On top of that every class has access to it so it's not like a super OP item that only certain classes can get. That being said Blizzard is Blizzard and nerfs/buffs seem pretty random at the best of times.

[Djriff]

So what procs this trinket for shadow anyways? Would really like to look at some data for this answer.

Dots?
MF Ticks?
Shadowfiend/Mindbender hits?
Cascade Bounces?
Halo Hits?
DS Hits?

What can proc is more AS or CoP?
Does it make off dotting more viable for CoP on a fight like tyrant?

[Priority]

I found it to be pretty good for AS with mindbender. Maybe with a high haste cap it would be good for insanity as well. I do not use it for CoP.

[GameFX]

@djriff

Any damaging ability we have will proc it (PWShield proc'd it last night on the reflection LOL)- excluding Shadowfiend and Mindbender

[Sxq]

IIRC procs like that will proc off of any ability and are normalized to proc at the same frequency regardless of the speed at which damage ticks are occuring. It might be particularly good for shadow because rppm procs DO scale with haste.

[Djriff]

So it does proc off ticks including channels? Want to clarify since PoF acts a bit differently.

[Sxq]

PoF is just different because it specifically only acts on direct spell damage (which is basically defined as everything except dots/channels). Every other trinket should proc on ticks.

[Kilee25]

I'm pretty sure PoF can apply the debuff from non-direct damage. It just doesn't proc from anything but DD.

[Djriff]

Kilee (or anyone else good at this) have you mathed out the advantage of off dotting with CoP while wielding this trinket to get a higher proc chance? Is the juice worth the squeeze?

[Kilee25]

You can't offdot with cop on every fight, or even most fights, so I'm not sure it's worth doing a lot of TC on. I wouldn't go out of my way, if that's what you're asking. However, based on reported uptimes, I'd consider it a must-have trinket for heroic progression and lower (when fighting demons). The mythic trinkets should eclipse it in raw strength though.

[Kreeshak]

is this trinket better suited for cop or as?