Legion - shadowdance bar (macro/addon?)

[Deleted]

Hey guys,

so since there isn't a shadowdance bar in Legion/ptr anymore, did any of you figured out a way to use stealth abilities without binding them on an extra keybind? I find it really annoying and macros like

/cast [stance] shadowstrike
/cast backstab

are not working either because Blizzard decided to change that for no reason...

[Roncero]

It's covered in other threads, in the beta there is no way for a macro or addon to do that. Blame Celestalon.

[defury]

There is not, nor will there be until further notice a way to macro it or write an addon, I have spent many hours trying and the devs have confirmed it's not possible.

[elfporn]

You can do modifier based bar paging, ie: hold ctrl to page to stealth bar, hopefully bartender (or some other addon) will add functionality to change the modifier to whatever i want.

[Xeh.-]

The funny part is they said we will be able to macro for it and never did it.

Thanks Blizz.

[Rikhart]

I am handling it just fine on beta, the number of abilities isn´t that great that anyone would have issues with this, unless you are too used to something and cant bear to make adjustments.

[Findlyn]

Yeah, after playing around on PTR i see no reason to need a shadow dance bar. At least from a 100% PVE standpoint. I am pretty sure that I wouldn't need one for pvp either. And I am not even using a naga/logitech with 12+ keybinds on the side.

[Roncero]

It feels incredibly awkward to go from hitting one bind when building combo points to swapping between two, especially when one is time limited.

[Kalador]

Look guys it's for the best... if sub is shit at the start of the expac they can say .... rogue are still adapting to the stealth bar change

[elfporn]

Only way to manually page is using modifiers like ctrl, alt, or shift - anyone know how to write a script that's timed like for example:

Make a shadow dance macro that uses the alt modifier to shift bars when pressed, and shifts back after 4 sec.

I'm doubtful there's a way to make the above work, i'm graspin for straws here though.

[Deleted]

Yeah, after playing around on PTR i see no reason to need a shadow dance bar. At least from a 100% PVE standpoint. I am pretty sure that I wouldn't need one for pvp either. And I am not even using a naga/logitech with 12+ keybinds on the side.

Well, from a PvP standpoint I really do need a shadowdance bar, because I use macros for cheap shot and sap (like focus target). It's not just shadowstrike that I need to bind. How am I supposed to shadowdance --> sap people now? ^^
I'm not saying that it's impossible to play subtelty without a shadowdance bar, but it makes things unnecessarily complicated. Plus, why keep the stealth bar then? There is no logic in that.

Only way to manually page is using modifiers like ctrl, alt, or shift - anyone know how to write a script that's timed like for example:

Make a shadow dance macro that uses the alt modifier to shift bars when pressed, and shifts back after 4 sec.

I thought about that too, but I don't think you can make a timed macro like that. You can switch actionbars, but then it gets really complicated because you need to always be aware of how much time you have left on your shadowdance to manually switch back actionbars after 6 seconds...

[elfporn]

A keyboard macro perhaps, outside of the game. Just an input macro setup. I think i'm going to look into it.

I use a corsair k95

Edit: looks like i may be able to do it with a hardware macro via my keyboard. I'll test it out this evening.

Still should not have to goto such lengths to restore basic functionality to the spec.

[Hobbes0773]

A keyboard macro perhaps, outside of the game. Just an input macro setup. I think i'm going to look into it.

I use a corsair k95

Edit: looks like i may be able to do it with a hardware macro via my keyboard. I'll test it out this evening.

Still should not have to goto such lengths to restore basic functionality to the spec.

Ya this is the only way to do it now, but is technically against ToS. You just need to bind Shadowstrike to a key you don't normally use. Then have your keyboard macro press that key first, followed by your Backstab. It will fire off Shadowstrike if it can, and if not, it will fire off Backstab. Either will incur the GCD so the other one won't fire. You may have to add a 1ms delay in between the presses to even it out.

[elfporn]

Ya this is the only way to do it now, but is technically against ToS. You just need to bind Shadowstrike to a key you don't normally use. Then have your keyboard macro press that key first, followed by your Backstab. It will fire off Shadowstrike if it can, and if not, it will fire off Backstab. Either will incur the GCD so the other one won't fire. You may have to add a 1ms delay in between the presses to even it out.

Hmm i was thinking of doing a manual bar page to stealth bar with a 4sec delayed repeat press tied to the hotkey i use for shadow dance (pages on press, and pages back after 4sec) - setup in such a way as to not use shadow dance for the repeat press.

Your suggestion is a lot simpler and would work perfectly for pve use. Might still get the paging macro working for pvp though.

[Reposed]

I find it a bit ironic that they were complaining about ability bloat and wanting to simplify things, and then go and do this...

[Blyght]

I just ran into this issue while testing out Rogue specs on the PTR, I realize the thread is two weeks old but wasn't sure about creating another thread for this, sorry if this considered necro'ing.

I typically like all my binds in a small area i.e. 1-5 and the keys around W,A,S,D. So, the no stealth bar when activating shadow dance took me by surprise.

However, one thing that occurred to me is that you can use a macro setup to bar swap, such as:


#showtooltip Shadow Dance
/changeactionbar 2
/cast Shadow Dance
And,

#showtooltip Backstab
/changeactionbar 1
/cast Backstab

With these you can create a "stealth bar" on Action bar 2 and swap freely between them.

[bloodmoth13]

I just ran into this issue while testing out Rogue specs on the PTR, I realize the thread is two weeks old but wasn't sure about creating another thread for this, sorry if this considered necro'ing.

I typically like all my binds in a small area i.e. 1-5 and the keys around W,A,S,D. So, the no stealth bar when activating shadow dance took me by surprise.

However, one thing that occurred to me is that you can use a macro setup to bar swap, such as:


#showtooltip Shadow Dance
/changeactionbar 2
/cast Shadow Dance
And,

#showtooltip Backstab
/changeactionbar 1
/cast Backstab

With these you can create a "stealth bar" on Action bar 2 and swap freely between them.

Yeah thats what i had planned. the no stealth bar thing is pointless so long as the two abilities have identical use cases

[shaunika123]

I am handling it just fine on beta, the number of abilities isn´t that great that anyone would have issues with this, unless you are too used to something and cant bear to make adjustments.

that's.... not the point

a: it was already IN the game so why take it out? ti gives no benefits
b: when they're functionally the same spell and you'll never use one when you have the other available they're actionbar clutter, i had no issues pressing a lot of other abilities either yet they had no issue pruning them. so why not prune backstab and strike into one ability like with shred/rake or basically every other DH ability?
c: it goes against their entire design philosophy of not having ability bloat on your bar, and pruning unnecessary extra binds.
d: it's fucking uncomfortable to play with

I just ran into this issue while testing out Rogue specs on the PTR, I realize the thread is two weeks old but wasn't sure about creating another thread for this, sorry if this considered necro'ing.

I typically like all my binds in a small area i.e. 1-5 and the keys around W,A,S,D. So, the no stealth bar when activating shadow dance took me by surprise.

However, one thing that occurred to me is that you can use a macro setup to bar swap, such as:


#showtooltip Shadow Dance
/changeactionbar 2
/cast Shadow Dance
And,

#showtooltip Backstab
/changeactionbar 1
/cast Backstab

With these you can create a "stealth bar" on Action bar 2 and swap freely between them.

well that still requires a separate backstab bind doesnt it? so might as well just have two separate binds

[Blyght]

well that still requires a separate backstab bind doesnt it? so might as well just have two separate binds

This is true, my intention wasn't to create a single button but rather have all my "requires stealth" actions to be assembled in one place, i.e. on on actionbar 2 #1-5. Upon further messing around it's probably redundant for most people but someone may find it useful nonetheless.

I should have made that clearer in my OP.

[lawomous]

Hey I threw this is the stickied 100 page Sublety discussion but it might get lost in there so I'll put it here too since it's relevant and looks like a lot of people are struggling with it...

I made some macros on the Beta that turn Sub into a 3 button spec for casual players just getting first introduced to the spec in Legion.

You only need Backstab on your bar, and these two macros:

#showtooltip Shadowstrike
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast [nostealth]Shadow Dance
/cast Symbols of Death
/cast Shadowstrike
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift]Eviscerate
/castsequence reset=target Nightblade,Eviscerate
/cast [nostealth,combat]Vanish

*With this macro: If you are generating Combo Points too fast and you aren't ready for another Nightblade, you can hold shift and it will temporarily Eviscerate.


**Also it's easy to figure out but I'll mention, pre-pull in Stealth you are going to press Symbols of Death shortly before entering combat, then open with the first macro.


I made macros for most classes so PM me if you're interested in other specs or had any questions, I am not a rogue main so I probably won't be checking this thread.