Volta could be released before Vega (Q3 2017)

[Asmekiel]

Can I ask why Techpowerup uses a year old driver for the AMD cards, but a month old driver for Nvidia cards?

[Life-Binder]

The worst part is is that AMD has this infuriating NDA on their hardware where, even if it were announced today with a hard release date, you won't get jack shit about it until the day of release because they're kind of dicks like that.

agreed, I never understood why they do that

customers will have more faith in you if NDA is lifted and reviews are out at least a little bit (preferabbly a week+) before launch day


same as for movies - RT score up on release day or in advance


unless of course you know your product is mediocre, but such a tactic is unlikely to help you at that point anyway

[Artorius]

Not sure where you are getting that, Gtx 1080 is twice as fast as a 980, it was the largest performance leap by far from any generation. I distinctly remember from the 1080 press conference the CEO saying pascal was years in development and some ridiculous amount of money invested. That is why i say volta isnt going to be much of anything, probably just a refresh on a different node.

Pascal was more than just a die shrink, how else do you explain it being the single largest performance bump from any generation in nvidias history?

A die shrink wouldn't get you upgrades like this between xx80 Ti iterations. It just wouldn't.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1856?vs=1715
A bit bigger than the jump from the 780 Ti to 980 Ti, even...

He's not wrong. Architecturally wise Maxwell and Pascall are very, very close to each other. The main difference here is that since they jumped from 28nm to 16nm they could pack more cores in the same die-area and due to finally going to FF from a planar process, push the clocks even higher. Larger design + higher clocks, the first has nothing to do with the architecture itself, and while design changes can affect how high you can push clocks, both are benefits you can afford from going to a smaller manufacturing process. Pascall would indeed clock a little higher than Maxwell even if both were manufactured on the same process, but the difference is negligible compared to the difference they got from the process itself.

And you guys are comparing the wrong products, the 980Ti has a GPU with 2816 SPs, the 1080Ti has one with 3584. If you want to compare the architectures the closest you can do is compare the 980 against the 1070 (2048 SPs vs 1920 SPs) and then tweak the clocks to make them somewhat match in TFLOPS. You'll see they'll most likely score the same in nearly any benchmark and give you the same amount of FPS in games. I even think some youtuber did exactly that when Pascall launched, but I'm too lazy to go find the video.

It's entirely possible that Nvidia is close to being able to launch Volta, they have a great budget and they also had a lot of time. They'll most likely choose to wait though, they've just released the 1080Ti and the new Titan Xp. They don't want their own products screwing up their profit. Even if Pascall is mostly a die-shrink it still takes time and money to put the cards in the market.

[Fascinate]

Ya after a bit of research it is mostly down to the clocks coming up, really surprised me tbh. It was the largest generational gap in their history, still does not compute to me lol.

[Life-Binder]

Pascal = improvements in DX12 & Vulkan


especially obvious in 1070 vs 980Ti, where in older games they are closer, but in newest 1070 pulls more ahead even vs OCed 980Ti

[Vash The Stampede]

how many times do I need to link it ?
http://marketrealist.com/2017/02/nvi...n-fiscal-4q17/

http://marketrealist.com/2017/02/nvi...n-fiscal-4q17/

43% is not something you ignore if you can help it

Nvidias high-end has been highly successful and very profitable for years now

The link doesn't work. Here's the info I go by.

http://jonpeddie.com/publications/add-in-board-report/

as for 1060 3GB vs 470:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/...o_Plus/30.html (this review is from April 18, 2017)


78% 470 vs 87% 1060 3GB

all modern games in their tests (dont think any game there is even from 2014, all are 2015 or later, majority is from 2016)

2015 is relatively old now, but whatever. Those benchmarks aren't particularly good as @Eugene Fitzherbert pointed out it's using some very old drivers for AMD. One clue to this is the Doom benchmark which the 3GB 1060 won vs the RX 470. Where everyone else's benchmarks show that AMD usually wins easily here. The 16.3.3 beta drivers are literally when the Polaris cards were released. Also Civilization VI is a very poorly optimized game. So much so the 3GB 1060 beats the Fury X in that game and the RX 580 is equal to the Fury X. That really shouldn't happen.

Interesting they did use the 17.10.1030-B8-Apr10 for what I guess is for the RX 580 since it lists the RX 580 next to the driver. Either they used the older drivers for the RX 400 series to give more dramatic results with their benchmarks, or they were too lazy to re-benchmark those graphic cards and recycled the results from the launch of the RX 400 series.

As far as I'm concerned techpowerup results are invalid. Nobody who runs a RX 400 series card runs drivers that old. Pretty sure when the cards were released for sale you were given newer drivers than that. Surprised that website is still in business with such careless benchmark results as that.

https://i.imgur.com/JpQkgqC.png

GTX 1080 & 980Ti both above RX480

1080 above 1050Ti

The RX 480 is not the only card in the mainstream market. Obviously it didn't sell better than the 1080 or for many Nvidia cards for that matter. But mainstream is all the cards, including Nvidia's from every generation. AMD isn't obviously doing well in sales, even with the release of the RX 480. Where's the 1080 Ti or Titan's? Not even the Fury cards show up. Too little owners to even register. Yes the 1080 registers but at 1.6%. The 980 Ti is 1% along with the 980 at 1%. Now count the GTX 970's, 750 Ti's, 960's, and yes even the 1060. Dwarfs them in sales.

If AMD were smart they would offer the RX 480 8GB for $200, but they didn't. The GTX 1060 was too competitive in bechmarks and AMD lost sales. Maybe the refresh might change things but anyone who needed that level of performance already bought their graphics card already.

[Life-Binder]

The link doesn't work.

yes it does

As far as I'm concerned techpowerup results are invalid.

of course you are

[Vash The Stampede]

yes it does

It takes me to a website and I see a spinning circle. Works for anyone else? But no please don't dispute my working link. The Enthusiast market vs the performance + mainstream. No no, that small slither of market is totally big.

of course you are

No please don't give details, cause that's where the devil is. You don't think using ancient drivers for AMD cards isn't a concern? Doesn't invalidates the results?

[DeltrusDisc]

It takes me to a website and I see a spinning circle. Works for anyone else? But no please don't dispute my working link. The Enthusiast market vs the performance + mainstream. No no, that small slither of market is totally big.

I have the loading circle as well, not sure how long it is supposed to load for, @Life-Binder?

[Zenny]

Link works fine for me.

[Deleted]

link works for me but there is nothing there stating anything regarding enthusiasts cards sales. All it says is revenue/sales of "gaming cards"/"high end desktop"(interchangeably) and data center and with out distinguishing models. Looks like they are talking about all gaming cards(gtx1050 and up).

Also I have to agree that reusing old benchmark results is lazy way to go about it and doesn't present current status quo, especially since amd cards are known to improve quite substantially over time with drivers.

[Alantor]

http://marketrealist.com/2017/02/nvi...n-fiscal-4q17/

According to Jon Peddie Research, the PC gaming hardware market is expected to grow at a CAGR (compound annual growth rate) of 6% between 2017 and 2019, after crossing the $30 billion mark in 2016. But Nvidia’s gaming revenue is likely to grow at a faster rate than the PC gaming hardware market due to its dominant position in the fast-growing segment of GPUs and high-end GPUs. Data from Jon Peddie Research showed that the high end accounted for 43% of the gaming hardware revenue in 2016.

high-end revenue is no less important then mid-range/low-end


lower volume is off-set by high margins

Well, revenue ≠ profit ≠ volume It is possible they get a lot of revenue from high end cards but not so much profit or volume sales, we just don't know from that article.

When you say "lower volume is off-set by high margins" I guess you mean that lower volumes are offset by the sell price of a high end item so the revenue from these items is high, but we don't know about margin or profit.

[Life-Binder]

its not rocket science that high-end cards seeling for $500-$700 have higher margins per card

I even showed Steam charts/hardware survey that have GTX 1080 above a 1050Ti and like 1.5-1.6x above RX480

not sure what else is necessary at this point ^^ seems very self-explanatory, cards like 1080 and esp 1070 make them plenty of money


now Titans are probably mostly for image and show and performance crown (though I have seen Maxwell Titan X on Steam charts at some point with like a 0.1%-0.15% or so .. I think)



https://www.extremetech.com/computin...illion-quarter

Nvidia absolutely crushes its quarterly earnings, has its first $2 billion quarter

Nvidia announced its quarterly earnings this week, and the company posted record-breaking numbers in just about every category. Revenue leapt 54% to just over $2 billion, the first time Nvidia has had a $2 billion quarter. Its gross margin set a record at 59%, with a record 63% increase in gaming-derived revenue. There’s no doubt about it: Nvidia’s dominance of the high-end GPU market is allowing it to suck down all of the spending that would normally have been at least somewhat split between itself and AMD.

[Bryntrollian]

https://imgur.com/nyZ6fp2

This gonna be good, time to put my old 290X horse to rest.

Nice pickup man.

[Gaidax]

Nice pickup man.

Oh yeah, I am playing around with it 2 days now, the shit's glorious. 1440p full ultra mega whatever settings and even DSR in some games - 90+ FPS easy. Mass Effect - 70 FPS is the minimum I seen with everything turned on balls to the wall.

The worst I seen is 35FPS in some specific spot in WoW in Suramar, but that's because that bloody ancient engine capped one CPU core at 100%, while others chill at nothing... really tragedy - GPU at like 30% usage there.

Stellar really, I am pretty confident this will last me 3 years, especially once I upgrade the rest of my shit by the end of the year.

[Life-Binder]

http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_ru...680f3cef6&l=en

sighting of a new 6C/6T Intel CPU


Coffee Lake new i5 version ?

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something that came to mind

a reason they might want to release a new flagship sooner is to have one with HDMI 2.1 ports on it ?


HDMI 2.1 is kind of a big deal, IIRC it has bandwidth surpassing even DP 1.4, it has enough to run even 4K @ 144Hz @ full 10-bit HDR @ 4:4:4 color so all the bells and whistles with no compression or compromise .. it does 8K and dynamic HDR metadata and of course the much welcomed Game Mode VRR, which, as far as I understand it, is basically G-sync HDR/Freesync 2 built into the HDMI 2.1 port, so you dont need any Gsync/Freesync anymore, only a device and screen that both have HDMI 2.1 (not sure if it will work automatically or if games need to be programmed to make use of Game Mode VRR)

IIRC DF confirmed Scorpio will have HDMI 2.1 already somehow (and thats in 2017), so we can expect the new Sony/LG OLED flagships (I only care about OLED TVs these days) in H1 2018 to have HDMI 2.1 too ? and maybe some new high-end monitors in 2018 too


if so - GPUs will need HDMI 2.1 to run all that beauty

off-topic, but this is an extremely useful table/calculator for DP/HDMI bandwidths

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic...ormat=ycbcr444

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http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/sk-...m-(gddr6).html

seems GDDR6 is just in time for Volta


maybe HBM2 for Volta Titan/Ti and GDDR6 for Volta 2080 ?