Sartharion 10 Man 3 Drakes, am I geared enough?

[Nawramsti]

This week or... to be more exact this coming Thursday our guild will attempt Sartharion 3Drakes on 10 Man
We have grinded every single thing possible to the extent of getting 400g extra gold for wipes, we are willing
to wipe until we get this boss down, but what is needed to get him down I've tried to search for guides
and succeeded but none of them tell me the required dps needed or tank stats or healers. Is this enough?
We got every single consumable flask even the Event food ;D.

Setup is
UNBUFFED
(Feral)Druid-45k+HP Full Valarous
(Prot)Warrior 31.5k HP
(UnholyDK)Mix of gear Add handler 4k+DPS
(Holy)Priest Good Geared 25Man
(Holy)Paladin Good Geared 25Man
(Elemental)Shaman Good Geared 25Man 3k+ Dps
(Shadow)Priest 4k+Dps
(Affliction)Warlock 4.5k+Dps
(Retribution)Paladin 3.5-4k+Dps
(Survival)Hunter 4k-4.5k+Dps

This is the setup we are going with trying to max our ranged dps but are we geared enough
I am sure we got the strategy so sooner or later this boss will be dead.

Thanks in advance for any help.

[Nawramsti]

Forgot to mention
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...eaker&n=Revoka

[RickyzUndying]

25 man gear is certainly needed, but honestly its 50% having the dps and 50% having your people not fail to giant walls of fire. you should do fine in terms of gear, it'll just be getting the strat down

[Nawramsti]

Well about the strategy we don't mind spending 20+wipes every one agreed to spend
a solid 4-5hours of raiding on this, well it is progression any way ;D.

[Deleted]

Your setup is somewhat bad...
First off:
Get your druid to have about 54k HP raidbuffed.(Don't know what this 45k result in^^) This results in ~40k hp with debuff, so he can(theoretically) survive a flame breath without cooldowns. Since we didn't have a priest in our melee-group, our dk switched between his characters, so everyone had the stamina-buff. You'll need it.
Next... your group doesn't support each other. Sure, you got an elemental to support casters, you got a ret to give replenishment and support, too... but you have to support a shadow, a warlock, a hunter and a ret. That's pretty hard to do... better try and take only casters or only melees, this way everyone can be supported to the maximum.
Now I'm interested in where your dps-stats come from... because from my point of view, your elemental shaman sucks. I'm an elemental, too.. and I still need A LOT of equipment.. but I'm doing 4,2k on Sarth 25 3D through the whole fight... or nearly 5k on Patchwerk (still didn't break through the 5k barrier... don't know why though... though we always go with 7 healers and therefore need a >2min40sec to down him).
Another problem is, that you'll either have to wait ~7min before bloodlust is ready again, or you'll have to do some tries without it.. and those tries won't go well^^"

My advice is, that you make a group where everyone is fully supported, which results in a nice dps boost.
Don't know if our mages are extremely great players, but they do HUUUUUGE damage when bloodlust and other CDs are up. And when they're not up, they still do great damage... maybe you could take them, when you're deciding for a caster group.

[Leipäkone]

I agree somwhow with poster above me, dpser should support each others and one thing when you learn that fight: GET 2 SHAMANS, it was awful when we tryed to learn it with just one since we could have bloodlust to half of our tryes which ended that half of our tryes were serious tryes.

I dont know what you mean with your DK, he should be full dps gear and just taunting some wandering blazes if warrior got his skill on cd. I would throw that retri paladin off since you have already replenisment and he wont bring anything new to raid if you replace him with another holy paladin.

ps. God bless you if you are gonna do it with just 2 healers

[Nawramsti]

Gear is shit because I specced Elemental to support the raid
Normally I have 2309 SP and 400ish Haste as resto.

Well I looked at it in this PoV

And 45k HP UNNBUFFEEEEEDD for the druid.

Well every one is supported in some way Priest gives spirit to warlock which gives him 80-90 SP
dps sucks yea but I support the raid hell wise DK is an Enhancement shaman buff wise and+20haste
the warlock I took him because of his dps capabilities and the hunter I did the same both can get 5k with blood lust.
I took the DK because he said he was able to tank adds w/o any tanking gear.

So give me ideas and tell me who should I replace.

[Donolgann]

Your setup isn't bad at all, just need to build on it.

It's pretty much what we had except we had a pally tank instead of your warrior and a boomkin instead of a ret pally.

We had the pally tank the Drakes+the adds, our pally was healing him with righteous fury standing on the other side of our pally tank's consecrate, this way all the aoe stuck to the prot pally. Our unholy DK's passive aoe killed the whelps on its own.

If you do something similar, your fight should go like this:

1.Kill Tenebron ASAP, (your priest should be disc for PI and PS btw), blow all DPS CDs on Tenebron so PI, trinkets, etc but don't bother popping Heroism as your DPS will be enough to kill Tenebron a few seconds into Shadron's landing. Tenebron should be dead a few seconds into Shadron.

2.AoE the trash, whelps should be dead or almost from pestilence and passive AoE (LOLstorm) and just clean the blazes to kind of "reset the fight"

3.DPS Shadron. You want to kill him ASAP (we still didn't bother popping heroism since it was our first try and we still got him down fast enough). Pop Heroism if you need it.

4. This is the tricky part, when Vesperon lands and you gain Twilight Torment and Shadron is still alive I recommend popping survival CDs on your MT to make sure he survives buffed breaths. As soon as Twilight Torment comes up, your Ele shaman is ONLY healing as the raid will take a lot of damage.

5.When Shadron is dead you pretty much won, go in every portal killing Shadron's and Vesperon's add (Shadron's add only once since he won't respawn) and slowly kill Vesperon. AoE the blazes after every portal to reduce straining on your tank.

6.You know how it goes when all the drakes are down, beat on the loot pinata til it drops your drake, you've won, grats on your title.

Notes:
Don't listen to people and try without heroism when it's on CD, as I said we didn't bother popping it on our first kill, being afraid of wasting it since it was our first try of the night but we one shot the encounter without it.

Your hunter could get a Tenacity pet with roar of sacrifice, granting you another survival CD.

Our holy pally specced for Divine Guardian and bubbled when Twilight Torment first came up, reducing the raid damage by 30% and keeping our DPS alive.

Frost resist gear will bring your druid tank to incredible amounts of health, bears are defense capped through talents so get all the gear with the highest stam you can.

GL man, keep trying, it's very rewarding when you finally get it down ^.^

[zsuper]

If you have a Death Knight who can tank Sarth, use it, it's MULTIPLE times better than a Feral Druid.

A Feral Druid stacking stamina will just soak up your healers' mana. Since you're only using two healers, I can't see this setup being very possible due to mana constraints.

We brought a stacked caster group (+ a Death Knight), 4 DPS in total, all in the best possible 25 man gear. Our Sarth tank had to eat 5-7 deadly breaths before Shadron was killed, and our Resto Druid and Holy Priest were almost completely OOM due to healing through Twilight Torment and the massive incoming damage. There was a Paladin keeping the add tank and drake tank up solo, and even he was at about 30% mana.

[Mr.Shadow21]

Your warr might want a little more health. And if u can spare it take out a dps for a healer helps alot. If no one dies to voids or fire wall then your group should be able to do it

[Arnoldlayne]

Your healers will have to be exceptional if you expect to 2 heal it your first time. If your dps reguarly, or have ever died to a lava wall or fissure, don't take them, simple as that. This is a very RNG based fight, one bad move on a healers part, or if a dps overaggros adds and dies, game over.

We burn the first drake, blust burn the 2nd, aoe adds, dps in portals for acolytes, kill the last drake (hybrids such as spriest/boomkin would spot heal when needed), aoe when called for by add/drake tank and take the last portal once he's dead, killing the acolyte then kill sarth. It's an extremely intense fight, our first kill was pally/shaman heals and the shaman needed to mana tide twice to keep healing. Survivability is obviously number one priority but if you focus on it your dps won't be good enough and you'll fail.

[HellBurn]

I think it would be in your interest to have two chamans (double bloodlust ftw!) and a mage( nice dps, scorch bonus, intel bonus and nice aoe ).