Hangs her head in shame

[Eleandril]

OK, I am now going to become the queen of idiocy. Please don't judge me too much though. When i read the mana changes in the patch notes and saw that it was our out of combat mana regen that was getting nerfed, i thought fine, ill just have to drink when im out of combat and i'll still have mad mana regen when in combat.... however someone has informed me of the 5sr....which i had to have translated for me. The five second rule as i understood it was when u drop like a bit o toast on the floor and if its there for under 5seconds you can still eat it......Apparently thats not the case! So is it my non casting regen thats getting nerfed? so when im casting my mana regen stays the same and then when i'm stood there not casting for whatever reason but theres still people fighting then my mana isnt going to rush back up at the speed of sound? And if so should i focus on slotting sp now instead of spirit as my mana will run out and ill be standing there at the side like a pally whispering my druid tank for his 'innervate plox' so i might as well do big heals while i'm at it.........

[Amgyn]

5sr means you don't use mana for 5 seconds and its where spirit regeneration kicks in.

after patch you will still notice an increase in mana regen while out of the 5sr, but it wont be as much as before...

however, while casting, if you have the proper talents, you will be regening mana faster than before.

[Jonisawsom]

5sr means you don't use mana for 5 seconds and its where spirit regeneration kicks in.

Correct.

however, while casting, if you have the proper talents, you will be regening mana faster than before.

Not correct.

Your mana regen while casting is supposed to stay the same as it was before, while your mana regen while not casting will go down. The purpose of this was to nerf 10 second lifebloom rotation and clear casting procs that could put you out of the 5sr for long periods of time.

I've often had times where I was ~half full on mana and was able to get nearly full again by casting just lifebloom to refresh it on the tank. Also noticed getting 2-3 clear casting procs in a row, or even more.

[iLive]

Many people understand it wrong and thinks it is about out of combat and in combat, but it isn't. It is when you're casting and not casting. Spirit gives mana regeneration for your casting out of combat and when you take talents as Intensity 50% of it (patch 3.1) will be while casting too. Paladins and Shamans use MP5, which means both for in and out of combat.

[TheRabidDeer]

1) Dont innervate paladins, they get maybe 2k mana from it.
2) As explained above, the changes are relating to the 5 second rule. Each time you use mana you are inside the 5sr and the timer resets itself. If you dont use any mana for 5 seconds, you are out of the 5 second rule and begin regenning based on your spirit. If you log in or go to the armory and put your mouse over the number next to "Mana regen" you will see a little pop-up that shows your while casting and while not casting regen. "While casting" = inside 5sr, "while not casting" = outside 5sr.
3) The only reason you will see an increase in casting mp5 with 3.1 is because of the new imp mark talent giving a 2% stat bonus, as the stat bonus is with you all the time, not just when you have mark.

[Kadas]

it was when u drop like a bit o toast on the floor and if its there for under 5seconds you can still eat it....

Probably the best description of the 5sr ever.

Paladins and Shamans use MP5

We (paladins) have generally stayed away from mp5. we use(ed) Divine Plea for regen and otherwise just relied on very cheap heals. not sure how that's about to change, if at all.

[ZeroKasutoa]

Paladins don't focus on mp5 but it definitely takes priority over spirit on our gear.

Paladin priorities (in no particular order) for healing gear:
Intellect
Spell Power
Crit
Haste
mp5

Resto shamans have about the same; priest and druid healers tend to need spirit. Also, paladins and shamans have no talent that provides mana regen while casting, so we actually do need mp5; it just has about the lowest priority of all of our priority stats.

[IamTheJesusMonk]

Probably the best description of the 5sr ever.
We (paladins) have generally stayed away from mp5. we use(ed) Divine Plea for regen and otherwise just relied on very cheap heals. not sure how that's about to change, if at all.

After playing a decent bit on the PTR (tested all available bosses in 10-man, and all the watchers+general in 25-man) i've gotta say that there is basically *no* change to our mana regen in this patch. plea+illumination+crap tons of crit=no mana problems

[Panoramixe]

Well there are two "big" nerfs to resto druids' mana regen.

1) Innervate is calculated of spirit based mana regen, seeing as that's been nerfed innervate is nerfed too. (Or did I miss a change to it somewhere?)
2) Lifebloom isn't rollable anymore, a big nerf to mana regen for resto druids.

Other than that there should be little difference.

Btw I didn't know the 5 second on the floor rule yet, so much wasted food ...

[Jonisawsom]

Spirit gives mana regeneration for your casting out of combat and when you take talents as Intensity 50% of it (patch 3.1) will be while casting too. Paladins and Shamans use MP5, which means both for in and out of combat.

No.

Mana regen through spirit is only stopped when mana is used (that's the 5 second rule). For the next 5 seconds after a spell is cast using mana, you do not regen mana.

Talents such as the druid talent Intensity allow you to continue (as of this patch 50% instead of 33%) regenerating mana at 50% of your normal rate even while casting. It has absolutely nothing to do with combat.

MP5 is constant, but the rate at which it regenerates was always lower than spirit based regen, which was the trade off. One was good while casting and the other while not casting.

Intensity and other "while casting mana regen" talents got a buff because the amount of mana regeneration from spirit was reduced. So while not casting you will regenerate less mana than you did before. If you had intensity before and still do, you should still regen at ~the same rate.

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Btw I didn't know the 5 second on the floor rule yet, so much wasted food ...

To you and the OP. Mythbusters tested this and while i couldn't find a refrence, i am pretty sure they busted that myth

[Noetic Concordance]

speaking as a head chef the 5sr rule DOES NOT EXIST . anyone tried that shit in my kitchen would be out of the door. its based on the `well if its not there long then bacteria etc doesnt have time to get on it` it does not work that way at all.

[Gigikent]

In this patch there will be NO mana issues if you know how to adapt to the changes, as there are certain changes that's for sure: Lifebloom will work diffrent for you now, no longer gonna be viable to roll LB on half the raid without allowing them to bloom. While these are basically nerfs to the spell, it is not a nerf to the class itself imo, if you know how to heal you will change your style a bit maybe and still be great at your "job".

The only thing that will make you run OOM will be the fights themselfs, they will be longer, not like Naxx or whatever we have now, bosses are too easy and fast to kill to make you notice your mana going down. So the length of the fights are going to be the part you need to adapt to, and all healers will have to use mana wisely, not just spam and waste it on overhealing or whatever just to top meters. Whoever will still do that will surely fail.

About the toast : There was an episode in Grey's Anatomy where one of the doctors drops an organ (a kidney me thinks), and some other characters says fast: "5 second rule" ... they pick it up and place it inside the patient. Now that was funny. And yes, drop a piece of food on the floor and instantly harmfull (potentially) bacteria will attach to it, ofc the longer it stays down the more bacteria gets on it. That is a proven myth indeed hehe.