Ulduar and Paladins

[Xylia]

look at all the gear it either has armor penetration which is worst for ret or expertise which is worst for prot, i can't say anything about holy pala since i've never played that spec.

but i'd imagine it is the plate having mp5 and not spell crit? i wonder who all these items are itemized for?

[kailtas]

Theire itemised for Dk and Warr, why?

look at the models.... theire all DK and warr models, plain BS gief some paladin tier models for belt/wrist/boots who is itemised for ret paladin.
dont get me wrong, there are items itemised for us but it's all DK and Warr models.

[Googolplex]

Yup, the Holy gear fails as well

And not only the plate.

The new Holy vendor Libram is utterly useless, and TT is still the best weapon besides the Legendary.

[Sanguissa]

Well. Gear for holy paladins in ulduar fails, but:

You can have full ilvl 226+ with like 5 prices of ilvl239 gear with crit/haste/SP. But a lot of them are mails and cloths.

But its possible. Its just hard, very hard to get(on cloth, lol i have to wait until 10 casters will get it etc..)

[Gigthedin]

Given that armor pen affects CS, DS, and auto swings, which is a significant part of Ret paladin rotations (and makes each point of str even more potent) I have a hard time seeing the problem with armor pen on plate dps gear for paladins. Also, Expertise has become slightly more useful for Prot paladins (Hammer of the Righteous, in my own testing since the patch, can now be dodged/parried), and expertise is both threat and some mitigation. As for the Holy paladin gear, with all of the movement involved in Ulduar fights, the mp5 that is on the gear there becomes much more attractive. I feel many paladins underestimate the benefits of mp5, which is a real shame.

[Lynalis]

I dont wanna tank in skirt ???

[Xs]

I dont wanna heal in skirt ???

I feel many paladins underestimate the benefits of mp5, which is a real shame.

I feel you overestimate it having any value what so ever

[Copain]

I refuse to wear my Sick child Tier gear to tank in.


I won't look like a Tank, our Tier gear is so small and feeble I look like a healer even as a tank >_>.


Seriously they couldn't have even made our SHOULDERS look good. When I saw those flames I was like "Cool" and now they appear to just be glued there.

[Ohmikey87]

The gear blows hardcore for holy especially...as does the tier bonuses.
The tank one isn't much better.... and while the ret gear kinda sucks hard, at least the tier bonuses are good. Not to mention that we look HORRIBLY retarded. (WTB option to hide shoulders)

That's why I rerolled druid. 8)
I'm hoping this doesn't turn into another SWP where a mass of Paladins disappeared
Maybe in another 5 or 6 months this will all change...hopefully

[Simqn]

Given that armor pen affects CS, DS, and auto swings, which is a significant part of Ret paladin rotations (and makes each point of str even more potent) I have a hard time seeing the problem with armor pen on plate dps gear for paladins. Also, Expertise has become slightly more useful for Prot paladins (Hammer of the Righteous, in my own testing since the patch, can now be dodged/parried), and expertise is both threat and some mitigation. As for the Holy paladin gear, with all of the movement involved in Ulduar fights, the mp5 that is on the gear there becomes much more attractive. I feel many paladins underestimate the benefits of mp5, which is a real shame.

Now i'0m not saying that arp is complete rubbish but as can be seen from the linked report below physical damage only makes up 40% of my total damage

http://wowwebstats.com/fvrstivgrqhsq...000000001c4a9c

This is taken from an Ignis the retard Master in ulduar and for the melee dps is pretty much a straight forward tank and spank (its much harder on the tanks and healers this one) so gives a really nice indication of 'ideal scenarios' for the ret pally

So in answer would you take a stat eg crit which effects almost all of my damage (93%) or arp which only affects 40%. Its really very simple to see why the fact that there are oh so many bits with apr on in this instance make it a total bugger for ret pallies.

[superstargoddess]

I refuse to wear my Sick child Tier gear to tank in.


I won't look like a Tank, our Tier gear is so small and feeble I look like a healer even as a tank >_>.


Seriously they couldn't have even made our SHOULDERS look good. When I saw those flames I was like "Cool" and now they appear to just be glued there.

Seriously? You care what you look like when you are tanking? I don't know why people worry so much about what their gear looks like. I don't even notice what my stuff looks like unless I am on the character select screen.

[Draco cracona]

Given that armor pen affects CS, DS, and auto swings, which is a significant part of Ret paladin rotations (and makes each point of str even more potent) I have a hard time seeing the problem with armor pen on plate dps gear for paladins. Also, Expertise has become slightly more useful for Prot paladins (Hammer of the Righteous, in my own testing since the patch, can now be dodged/parried), and expertise is both threat and some mitigation. As for the Holy paladin gear, with all of the movement involved in Ulduar fights, the mp5 that is on the gear there becomes much more attractive. I feel many paladins underestimate the benefits of mp5, which is a real shame.

HotR has always been dodgeable/parryable, the parries simply were deflects unless they changed that with 3.1, ad arpen is pretty useless for rets as ~60% of their damage is unaffected.

[G l o w y r m]

Seriously? You care what you look like when you are tanking? I don't know why people worry so much about what their gear looks like. I don't even notice what my stuff looks like unless I am on the character select screen.

Yeah man, most people care about looks. It's a huge part of the game. This isn't a pen and paper RPG. This is a 3D game and visuals, while not always the most important part are still a huge part in the enjoyment of a game. Now, I won't not wear something that is clearly better or makes me heal better due to looks, but I will definitely be complaining in the back of my mind lol.

Just like in real life, people like to look good! I wish there was more diversity to gear models in WoW. This whole Tier thing sucks. I think they are taking a good approach with the new "tunic" or "robe" choices for the caster tier pieces though. It's all about choices! We need more choices. Armor dye would be cool too.

[Mutin]

Savory deviate delight is in the game for a reason guys..

[weirdingway]

Savory deviate delight is in the game for a reason guys..

Then instead of looking horrible you can look like half your raid.

[wyrdone]

Looks vs stats: This is the main difference between someone who cares how well they perform and how well the look /dancing at the bank steps.

Most raiders don't give a frak about how they look unless they are standing at the bank, and then they have a seperate set for that.

This is not to say we want to go back to Tier 5 (Brittany Spears collection), but you'll notice that most of the raisers still wore the peices.

@Blizz Devs: Tier4 was real armor, T6 while a bit fancy was real armor. Please no more Pink frufru or "Super Mega Gundam" POS models. Study how real armor looks and fits together for heaven's sake.

[Nikoll]

for the most part, we are forced into our tier gear again. there are a few nice non tier items, but GL on getting the drops.

[Kuthumii]

Given that armor pen affects CS, DS, and auto swings, which is a significant part of Ret paladin rotations (and makes each point of str even more potent) I have a hard time seeing the problem with armor pen on plate dps gear for paladins. I feel many paladins underestimate the benefits of mp5, which is a real shame.

Most of our damage is Holy damage, meaning that significant part of our DPS you were referring to, isn't as significant as the Holy part; which isn't affected by armorr. Therefore ArP is a weak stat for us. Crit and Haste would be better itemization for us. Expertise would be even better.

The fact you give mp5 much thought as a holy paladin and that fact that you think ArP is a good stat for us only proves you know little of our class. If anything ArP is a decent stat, not a good one.

[Xylia]

as a female Draenei i like the look of the dress, hope i get one someday :-P

[sillverhair]

as one of the few female dwarves i think ill agree with the drenai, i dont mind wearing a dress

except that i think its stats are inferior what i got