Is my dps bad?

[Favyon]

Hello, I am a retribution pally and well my gear is ok and at the same time bad. I know i have too much armor pen stuff, I'm over hit cap by alot, not even expertise capped (although with my glyph im pretty close). But what I'm wondering is if I'm doing the Dps I am capable of. I recently just did a dps test on a Heroic Training Dummy, my dps was lower than ive ever seen it. It was sitting at about 3.2k self buffed. http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...;zhul&n=Favyon
My Priority list is CS>Judge>DS>Cons> Exorcism
What do you guys think?
Where can I improve?

I would also like to ask you guys to dps the Heroic Training dummy and see what your dps is with your gear.

[BDF]

If you have T8 four piece use that instead of T9 2 piece until 3.2.2 hits

Grab a nobles deck and ditch Grim toll

I do believe the conquest badge necklace beats the one you have on right now

and your profile might be not updated but enchant your cloak

[Favyon]

Over 5k 25man buffed on patchwerk.

[neofire]

so not that the following will make you dps harder but it will make you less of a baddy:

1) drop talent points in: Undieldying Faith(2 more points gained), Vinidiction(2 more points gained), Divinue Purpose(2 more points gained), and then put them in Guardian's Favor(2/2) and stoicism(3/3) or divnity(3/5) and you should have 1 point for Divine Sac, and Divine Sac is the biggest thing a ret pally brings to the raid(hit divine sac with your bubble during high aoe damage or high tank damage times and your raid will love you)
2)Last time I checked ret pallies used the 21 crit meta gems but I may be wrong
3)get some profesions. Minning dosn't count
4)cloak enchant
5)WTF DO YOU MEAN YOU HAVE TOO MUCH ARP? ArP is where its at until 3.2.2.
6)Wait people use target dummies to judge dps?

[Nillo]

so not that the following will make you dps harder but it will make you less of a baddy:

1) drop talent points in: Undieldying Faith(2 more points gained), Vinidiction(2 more points gained), Divinue Purpose(2 more points gained), and then put them in Guardian's Favor(2/2) and stoicism(3/3) or divnity(3/5) and you should have 1 point for Divine Sac, and Divine Sac is the biggest thing a ret pally brings to the raid(hit divine sac with your bubble during high aoe damage or high tank damage times and your raid will love you)
2)Last time I checked ret pallies used the 21 crit meta gems but I may be wrong
3)get some profesions. Minning dosn't count
4)cloak enchant
5)WTF DO YOU MEAN YOU HAVE TOO MUCH ARP? ArP is where its at until 3.2.2.
6)Wait people use target dummies to judge dps?

1) Vindication is awesome
2) Agi only requires the nightmare's tear -> it's an upgrade damage wise
3) gotta agree here
4) ²
5) ArP is just as useless as haste
6) well, who cares :>

[Needonboots]

Armour Pen is next to useless on all that Holy Damage, or so I've been led to believe.

[Azyoulike]

Retri pallies with grim toll make baby jebus cry.

[skawboen]

My Priority list is CS>Judge>DS>Cons> Exorcism

Try changing this to Judge > DS > CS > Cons > Exorcism

You should see a decent dps increase

[Parietis]

5)WTF DO YOU MEAN YOU HAVE TOO MUCH ARP? ArP is where its at until 3.2.2.

Ret paladin ≠ Warrior or Blood Death Knight.

[Deleted]

1) drop talent points in: (...) Undieldying Faith

Whatever you like, but this talent has saved my ass more times than I can remember.

6)Wait people use target dummies to judge dps?

Ofc it doesn't tell the whole truth, but tells about relative progress. Provided that people don't "cheat" with it by popping all cooldowns while dealing AoE damage on three dummies and after a 20-second burst thinking their dps is awesome.

[Smashfist]

so not that the following will make you dps harder but it will make you less of a baddy:

1) drop talent points in: Undieldying Faith(2 more points gained), Vinidiction(2 more points gained), Divinue Purpose(2 more points gained), and then put them in Guardian's Favor(2/2) and stoicism(3/3) or divnity(3/5) and you should have 1 point for Divine Sac, and Divine Sac is the biggest thing a ret pally brings to the raid(hit divine sac with your bubble during high aoe damage or high tank damage times and your raid will love you)
2)Last time I checked ret pallies used the 21 crit meta gems but I may be wrong
3)get some profesions. Minning dosn't count
4)cloak enchant
5)WTF DO YOU MEAN YOU HAVE TOO MUCH ARP? ArP is where its at until 3.2.2.
6)Wait people use target dummies to judge dps?

1) No. Bad. Vindication is good if you don't have a warrior MT (We don't), Divine purpose has saved my ass in a raid many more times than I can remember (making HoF break stuns), and if you can help it you don't want to waste your bubble and either shift your cooldown for AW, or 12sec of 50% damage (if you're trying to Min/Max).

2) use the agi. 1x Nightmare tear + rest str (or str/crit if socket bonus is 6str or better)
3) Yes. Any crafting profession is fine
4) Agi to cloak ftw.
5) NO. BAD. You're not a warrior, don't itemise shit that contributes so poorly to your dps. Same goes for haste. ArP > haste (slightly), but don't ever pick it up if you can help it.
6) Target dummies are ok to compare against yourself and you're smart enough to position properly for the purposes of single target.

I run a similar spec as the OP, minus Unyielding Faith but plus Guardian's Favour. Bubblesac drops too much dps to make it worthwhile for my raid setup, we bring 2 holy pallys for sac, and we don't need more than 2 (if we do it's time to replace shitty healers). My job is to bring a shitload of raid damage and some buffs/debuffs (I'm usually top3 dps).

5k isn't bad, given your terrible weapon. What you have equipped is on par with naxx-25 gear (I know it's higher ilvl but a 3.5 with naxx level dps output is bad).

Biggest change you can do is your weapon. Try for Aesir's Edge in Uld10 (XT Hard), or one of the ToC10 weapons.

[kaijyuu]

5k 25 man raid buffed on a perfect fight such as patchwerk isn't bad. Entirely adequate I'd say for anything up to 10/25 h toc.

[Alinor]

Armour Pen is next to useless on all that Holy Damage, or so I've been led to believe.

DS CS and Melee are physical. This means they benefit, currently armor pen is little better then haste after the change it will be about same or worse than haste. After you get hit and expertise capped you need to choose what you will take along haste or Apen. They will soon be very close. So you can take both.

To original poster - your dps is what it should be for your gear. No one here will go and test to see what numbers should be correct for you, although people did give you good advice on making changes to gear. Hit and expertise must be capped or you loose dps. You are over hit cap by 130 rating, if you relocate that hit you can easily gain needed expertise, you have stats on your gear that give you nothing, that is not good.

[arel00]

393 hit rating and only 10 expertise. There is your problem.

You have 160 (you're Alliance, so stick to a draenei) hit rating more than what you need.
And 6 expertise LESS than what you need. And that is, if you force yourself to use the SoV glyph.

[Archegonus]

Dude, once I asked if ArP is useful for ret paladins, and when I tried it I said "yes, its good" but you need at least 40% ArP Unbuffed... by this reason I decide to stack STR, Crit and Haste, and trust me, is the best thing I did. Well, obviouslly you have to take care about Hit (at least 8%) and Expertise (I have 30 expertise rating, 40 with SoCor [SoV]) and it's just fine.

The few gear pieces I have with ArP are just because I can get an adittional socket for my gems and usually give me more STR and more Crit rating.

[Melonberry]

Dude, once I asked if ArP is useful for ret paladins, and when I tried it I said "yes, its good" but you need at least 40% ArP Unbuffed... by this reason I decide to stack STR, Crit and Haste, and trust me, is the best thing I did. Well, obviouslly you have to take care about Hit (at least 8%) and Expertise (I have 30 expertise rating, 40 with SoCor [SoV]) and it's just fine.

The few gear pieces I have with ArP are just because I can get an adittional socket for my gems and usually give me more STR and more Crit rating.

The glyph gives 82 rating itself. So either you have 40 expertise, which is way over cap, or you have no clue what you're talking about.

[Ninjakk]

Try changing this to Judge > DS > CS > Cons > Exorcism

You should see a decent dps increase

umm.. Last time I checked with my ret pally buddy, Crusader Strike is always what you should hit first if you have a lot of things ready to use... On Northrend beasts he pulls 6-7k dps, granted that he does have very good gear, but I'm sure using CS as often as possible helps quite a bit.

[skawboen]

umm.. Last time I checked with my ret pally buddy, Crusader Strike is always what you should hit first if you have a lot of things ready to use... On Northrend beasts he pulls 6-7k dps, granted that he does have very good gear, but I'm sure using CS as often as possible helps quite a bit.

last time I had 8.9k on those (yeah I "cheated" and stayed only on gormok the impaler and we had a feral and windfury this time), try asking your mate to read the tooltips for CS and DS, that should change his mind if he use CS first :-p

[Archegonus]

The glyph gives 82 rating itself. So either you have 40 expertise, which is way over cap, or you have no clue what you're talking about.

It was a mistake... my expertise rating is 248

[Ronark]

last time I had 8.9k on those (yeah I "cheated" and stayed only on gormok the impaler and we had a feral and windfury this time), try asking your mate to read the tooltips for CS and DS, that should change his mind if he use CS first :-p

CS does more DPC than DS does- Thus it does more damage in the long run and should be prioritized first.