Mongoose Vs. Berserking 3.3 Ruptureless Mut

[Semune]

Sorry if there is a topic already concerning this matter, but I could not find it anywhere.

With the changes to poisons in 3.3, would the speed from mongoose benefit us more than the pure AP proc of Berserking?

Is the setup still Berserking/Berserking? Or is it changed to Berserking/Mongoose, Mongoose/Mongoose?

Thanks for any input.

[Echariya]

Deadly:
Use: Coats a weapon with poison that lasts for 1 hour.
Each strike has a 30% chance of poisoning the enemy for [296 + 0.12 * AP] Nature damage over 12 sec. Stacks up to 5 times on a single target.

Instant:
Use: Coats a weapon with poison that lasts for 1 hour.
Each strike has a chance of poisoning the enemy which instantly inflicts [300 + 0.10 * AP] Nature damage.


They scale with AP. Mongoose gives 120 Agility a proc, Berserking 400 Attack Power.

[Javanface]

Deadly:
Use: Coats a weapon with poison that lasts for 1 hour.
Each strike has a 30% chance of poisoning the enemy for [296 + 0.12 * AP] Nature damage over 12 sec. Stacks up to 5 times on a single target.

Instant:
Use: Coats a weapon with poison that lasts for 1 hour.
Each strike has a chance of poisoning the enemy which instantly inflicts [300 + 0.10 * AP] Nature damage.


They scale with AP. Mongoose gives 120 Agility a proc, Berserking 400 Attack Power.

While this is true, Mongoose also gives 2% haste per proc, which also scales (rather well I might add) with the new poison changes. There will likely be a point where mongoose surpasses berserking in ICC, but one can only spreadsheet it to be sure as it is dependent on so many other things.

[Echariya]

Since the new Muti Ruptureless spec includes the haste from the Combat Tree, I am sure the 2% proc will matter, just unsure if it will make the difference.

[JackBauerLOL]

Mongoose looks pretty.

Hopefully we can have it on offhand, the whole blood dripping weapon glow is boring. Like really boring and cheesey looking.

[Javanface]

Some quick napkin math:

EP values taken with a mix of 245 and 258 gear:

AP = 1
Agi = 1.8
Haste = 1.94

Hence,

Berserking = 400 AP = 400 EP

Mongoose = 120 Agi + 2% haste = 216 + 127.23 = 343.23 EP

120*1.8 = 216
2%*32.79*1.94 = 127.23

So currently Berserking would be better with these specific EP's

For Mongoose to be better than Berserking, Haste would have to have an EP greater than 2.806, provided that the value of agility does not change.

(120*1.8) + x(2*32.79) = 400
216 + 65.58x = 400
65.58x = 184
x = 2.806

We're not there yet, but it is not improbable that with high levels of haste, we'll see it reaching high EP levels.