Very confused mutilate rogue x_x

[Gnowmcrusher]

Hai there mutilate rogues of WoW.

from my understanding, mutilate rogues should gem for pure AP which is what im doing. however lately im seeing ALOT of mutilate rogues gemming for pure agi... so whats the deal...should i be gemming for pure AP or Agi? :/

[Adhd]

Hai there mutilate rogues of WoW.

from my understanding, mutilate rogues should gem for pure AP which is what im doing. however lately im seeing ALOT of mutilate rogues gemming for pure agi... so whats the deal...should i be gemming for pure AP or Agi? :/

Rogues you have seen must most likely live in some cave or something if they havent yet realised that AP > Agi.
Keep gemming the Attack Power, and if u put some oranges then Attack Power and Haste.

[Gnowmcrusher]

Alright sweet, thanks for the quick reply

[spenzer]

Rogues you have seen must most likely live in some cave or something if they havent yet realised that AP > Agi.
Keep gemming the Attack Power, and if u put some oranges then Attack Power and Haste.

or they are like me and are putting ap gems in the new gear but dont bother replacing the agi gems in the old gear. since its only 2 dps increase/gem so total like 50 dps increase which arent worth the 2000gold it cost to upgrade all gems. and yes i have honor/badges to buy all the gems but instead of regemming my old gear i could sold the gems. so ye its around 2000g cost to upgrade the gear

[scintal]

As previous poster said, not really that much of a difference between AP and AGI.

So, wouldn't worry about it too much. And to the melodramatic poster that exaggerated with comments like live in some cave, I wouldn't worry about him neither.

[Javanface]

51/18/2, AP/Haste gemming and a ruptureless rotation doesn't trump 51/13/7, AGI gems and a rupture rotation until you get to a 245+ gear level or so. Also, it'll vary from character to character depending on stats. So...

SURPRISE AHEAD!

use the spreadsheet.

Also, since new gear is rather scarce atm, I suspect alot of rogues are just waiting to pop AP gems into the new gear they get because the sheet tells them that gemming for AP and Haste is a marginal upgrade for the time being.

[Ekans04]

Honestly it all depends on what you do with your time in the game. If your really into raiding and DPS is a big focus of yours its worth regemming to maximize your dps, however if you doing 5 mans and standing in IF for hours upon hours then regemming isnt a big deal.

Also 51/18/2 trumps 51/13/7......here it comes......spreadsheet it!
The only feasible reason to use 51/13/7 would be if your in a 10 man raiding guild and have no one else putting a bleed on the boss for you...

[Rogel]

or they are like me and are putting ap gems in the new gear but dont bother replacing the agi gems in the old gear. since its only 2 dps increase/gem so total like 50 dps increase which arent worth the 2000gold it cost to upgrade all gems. and yes i have honor/badges to buy all the gems but instead of regemming my old gear i could sold the gems. so ye its around 2000g cost to upgrade the gear

This,

Either people are swapping from combat or old gear when agi favoured them, or its not worth the expense for 50dps overall when you will be replacing stuff soon.

[Annoying]

or they are like me and are putting ap gems in the new gear but dont bother replacing the agi gems in the old gear. since its only 2 dps increase/gem so total like 50 dps increase which arent worth the 2000gold it cost to upgrade all gems. and yes i have honor/badges to buy all the gems but instead of regemming my old gear i could sold the gems. so ye its around 2000g cost to upgrade the gear

With that attitude, why even gem or enchant gear at all? Its only a few hundred dps increase, at the cost of thousands of gold.

[ugotganked]

51/18/2 > 51/13/7 in pretty much all gear no matter what... also thats totally different, not switching all your agi gems to ap for maybe 50 dps is not the same as not enchanting/gemming all your gear at all.

[Darios]

I've always found good results going for a happy medium between agi and AP

[Javanface]

51/18/2 > 51/13/7 in pretty much all gear no matter what... also thats totally different, not switching all your agi gems to ap for maybe 50 dps is not the same as not enchanting/gemming all your gear at all.

Not really true, at lower gear levels you may not have the stats to sustain the energy regen necessary for the amount of envenoms you need to do to outweigh the use of rupture, as well as making up for the energy regen "lost" by not speccing for 5/5 RS. The spreadsheet is your friend as always.

I've always found good results going for a happy medium between agi and AP

Good results are good if you're content with your dps. You can't go wrong gemming Agi or AP, as in, it won't cause your dps to suck.
However, we're usually concerned with maximum possible dps scenarios, and that is when stacking certain stats comes into play because the spreadsheet tells us what stat gives the most possible benefit. Atm, it's generally AP and in some slots, AP/Haste, or, if you're below the poison-hit and expertise caps, gemming for those.

[Scyy]

I still like 51/13/7 more, It shows at about 75 less dps in a spreadsheet but the rotation is much more fluid imo.

[Voij]

I still like 51/13/7 more, It shows at about 75 less dps in a spreadsheet but the rotation is much more fluid imo.

You use Rupture instead of Envenom, it can't be more fluid...

Well, that is as long as you're using Rupture. If you're specced 51/13/7, then that usually means that your gear would favor using Rupture, but then again, you're not specced 51/18/2 simply because you don't like that, so you're probably not using Rupture either...

Oh well, anyways:
51/18/2 is a lot simpler then 51/13/7 if you're not using Rupture with either of them, as you don't have to watch your Envenombuff that much and have a lower danger of capping energy/clipping Envenombuff, since you don't get that much energy from RS.


Just my 2 cents

[Deleted]

With that attitude, why even gem or enchant gear at all? Its only a few hundred dps increase, at the cost of thousands of gold.

There's a REALLY
REALLY
REALLY
Wait for it.... REALLY big difference between switching Agi for AP and not gemming at all.

[Nêêla]

agi = if you do not have enough arp
arp = if you have enough arp + arp trinkets
ap = only on assassination spec with arp + trinkets

[Voij]

agi = if you do not have enough arp
arp = if you have enough arp + arp trinkets
ap = only on assassination spec with arp + trinkets

ArP: As Combat with enough passive ArP and a Trinket, either to reach softcap or hardcap without trinket.
Agi: As Combat if AP is not strong enough for you, usually with very high amounts of ArP, also if you've still got T8 4pc
AP: Else.

Remember to gem for Spellhitcap and Expertisecap, though. [Try not to get too far above Expertisecap, though.]

[Javanface]

agi = if you do not have enough arp
arp = if you have enough arp + arp trinkets
ap = only on assassination spec with arp + trinkets

damnit voij, beat me to the punch again