Hunters Only - How do you fare against Healers?

[Kelkesh]

((Hunters Only))

Hunters. When you are PvPing and find yourself solo vs a Healer. What are the chances you will actually take him down if you can't get him down in a Silence Lock?

I don't know about you, but if I ever happen to find myself 1v1 vs... say a Holy Paladin. I will be able to kite him easily, and keep myself alive for a good few minutes. All while doing good damage on him, but I will never wear his health down without it going right back up. I will try to dispel as much crap as I can and try mana draining, even if it is a joke because Viper Sting is dispelled instantly. After a while, they will chip my Health to nothing and finish me.

Here's my Armory. I should be in my PvP Gear. (I think I have a fail Glyph on, don't judge ;D)
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...ane&cn=Daginni

I am probably doing SOMETHING wrong, but I am also under the impression that everything is balanced for Arena so that healers are not supposed to be able to be defeated by a single DPS.

((Hunters Only))

Holy pallies i agree with you on that but with priest and druids and shamans if you have all your shots up and silence i can easily take them down what you want to do if you dont get them down in a primary nuke is to wait till silence is back up again and blow 2 chimers and 2 aim shots with 2 silences in there and even use 2 scatters if it helps only healer unless fully hotted who can survive that is a holly pally and sometimes rarely your good resto druid who ES and RT very quickly other then that suprise is your best key if u have to FD/mount fast and run off and wait for them to turn there backs thats my advice of 4 years of pvp.

[The Distortion]

PvP Gear is second priority to me, so it doesn't get the best gems. This is also my play-style, not yours. Now hush.

AtckP o_O ?.

as hunter O___ó ?

[Lysah]

AtckP o_O ?.

as hunter O___ó ?

AP is a common gem for anything in PvP because it translates into raw damage, this is how I gem my rogue and might be how I gem my hunter if I were to PvP anymore.

[The Distortion]

AP is a common gem for anything in PvP because it translates into raw damage, this is how I gem my rogue and might be how I gem my hunter if I were to PvP anymore.

Thought AmP or Agi is more a way to go as hunter :P

[Edwin VanCleef]

Thought AmP or Agi is more a way to go as hunter :P

Don't BM hunters favor AP because it gives there pets more of a bonus?

[Aruetise]

hunters r normally the class that kills me if they catch me off guard (other than rogues). send in a spider pet, put me to sleep, then a few explosive shots or whatever and im gone if i wasnt prepared like cds gone already. but i only pvp casually and i dont wear pvp gear just my PvE gear. :-\

[Saphirox]

Whenever I pvp I usually rock full ilvl 264 pve gear so I can generally out dmg most healers heals.
(Of course I dont do high end arenas or any hardcore pvping, just for fun every once in a while)

I remember this one time in a 3v3 arena match I was doing with my buds we were facing like a priest/feral druid/and some sort of dk on the lordaron level and I just starting bombing on the priest, so he started running and then I popped my kill shot off and then turned around to start killing the dk and druid. I apparently killed the healer so fast my team didnt even notice and one of them called to start killing him after we killed the dk or something lol. (mind you this was like 400 rating arena, just for lulz)


But yea try going into a battleground in full pve gear, the healers wont know what hit them, nor will anyone else ^.^ (especially you when you start to get focused on lol)
p.s. pve gear works best when you have a wall of friendly melee running in front of you so you dont get focused and raped.

I'm with Blada on this one. I don't do arena so when I pvp its only battlegrounds and in there I run around in 4pT10 and offset items etc. 1on1 I will burn through most classes with aimed-serpent-chimera and go from there, I save scattershot for his 30-40% and nuke him down to 19% then killshot by then its normally over. Having said that, if I get caught off guard by melee I'm in trouble. From a range its usually no problem seeing as I'm pvp MM specced with decent armor penetration but when they get up close and personal I have to sit up straight in order to survive. Being active with trinket, deterrence, roar of sacrifice, intervene, disengage, scatter, traps etc helps alot, but it's a matter of one (yes, one!) global cooldown, if I don't get it right, I'm usually dead.

This playstyle don't feel particularly "active". I mostly hang around behind the frontline and pick people off, but at times man, at times its magical! My personal best is a 14 kill streak in eots where my frost trap actively hampered 3 melee and I had the opportunity to really lay the smackdown and got them all.

Back on topic however, for me with MM arp pvp spec, no healers aren't usually a problem. A 65k warrior in WSG with a restoshaman and discpriest however proved impossible to do anything about. Best attempt was priest to 50% before I died =)

[Kennpai]

Disc priest > Me
Me > Druids
Me > Rshamans
Holy pallys are 50/50

[Epokkz]

The only healers that sort of give me a problem are Good holy pallies.

Aimed
Serpent
Chimera
Silencing
Attempt a Arcane (If moving)
Scatter
Killshot

[zaronn]

I love how so many people who are posting in this thread "I pwn healers, this is how" obviously do not even pvp(pvp=arena, bgs mean nothing)... sure some of the things you say look good on paper (and some still don't)... pretty much none of the methods stated work in practice....

resto druid is probably the easiest healer kill for a decent hunter though, if you dont get tunnel vision and he has already used his trinket.

let serpent and/or bleeds fall off, call pet back, then freezing trap him. now get into a decent position so he cant los you so easily, this should be no problem as he will be trapped for 10 seconds... during this time in the trap his hots will mostly if not completely fall off... watch the timer on the trap and when its ending, get a steady shot casting so it fires ~when the trap ends, and put silencing shot in the air at the same time. then follow with your normal rotation.

If you are BM, use more or less the same strat, but make sure you have wrath and intimidation, and use them in place of silencing shot

Unless he massively out gears you, this should work a little better than 50% of the time. but like it has been stated above, we are not meant to be able to kill healers 1v1.

disc priest, you dont have a chance unless he fucks up or is bad.


on a side note, atk power is much better if you are bm, otherwise AGI AGI AGI... you cannot obtain enough armor pen in pvp gear to make it viable, unless you are running with 500 resilience and then you are an easy kill and probably dead before any 1v1 occurs

[Klumzyee]

I agree with the above other then you'd wana gem agility even if you're BM now with this or last seasons gear.. most of you guys are just lol-BG people.. Hunter under 24k hp means you have complete crap pvp gear or you have little to no resilience and you're free honor... any decently played healer with close to equal gear will take you for a ride especially if they have something to LOS. You're best bet is readiness w/ some freezing traps.. Snakes are good too if you have nothing else to do (running away).. But as MM most holy pallies will win especially if they have bubble.. the ones that dont are just kinda bad.

Resto sham, use your pet to kill his totems or use your autoshot (swing timer) to take out his important ones (wrath of air, flame tongue, mana, mana tide..) It's just horrible to watch people duel resto shams only to get owned by a fire ele.. Fire ele's have like a 2.5k hp totem -.- Anyways your best bet is to run far... if its a duel.. his instant dots/casts are all short ranged so at 30 or plus yards you're pretty much just shooting at something thats sitting there.. watch your pet tho..

Holly pallies.. you'll probably loose.. unless you some how silence + scatter then without a trinket and before they can bop.. other then that you're not going to be able to mana burn a holy pally.. If equally geared you wont out dps him..

Resto Druid.. They live off of hots.. if you're in an arena be aware of the druids hots.. if you're stuck with one keeping up with your dps then try bouncing targets to targets force him to fully hot up all his team mates and viper sting.. (btw lol at anyone that viper stings in pve) tranq shot always no exceptions.. keep blowing him up and save your scatter and silencing or fd for the cyclone that he will use when he's low.. most druids cyclone when they start falling behind on heals.. this is a great time to interrupt and do your burst to get them..

Disc priest.. tranq shot pew pew tranq shot that shield off.. then pray some how you get a few good shots off x.x but you're generally dead as they do A LOT of damage with the ability to instantly heal and apply shields..

IMO a shams the easiest for me to kill.. druids are after that.. pallies and discs are impossible unless you can force them on defensive (trying to keep up with heals).. a great skill to use is rapid fire.. how well you can watch your swing and get those extra autoshot damages out is going to determine who's chasing who.. healer fights are usually long and painful... your burst is going to be line up your shots.. something like.. force a trinket first then serpent -> Chimera (readiness around now if you think you're good) -> Aimed -> Scatter -> stand still and blow him up for a second then throw a freezing trap out before your scatters over.. now STOP dont break your CC.. wait until your shots are OFF CD now (also good time to apply hunters mark..) expect a CD to be poped on the healers side.. Aimed first.. fallow by scatter, chimera, readiness whatever you see fit.. but thats probably your best way to get a healer down.. is to some how CC until your shots are back up then pop readiness and cc again..

[Deleted]

I destroy them. Aimed shot = 50% reduced healing so
Aimed Shot + Chimaera Shot + Kill Shot = Dead Healer

I wish it was that easy.

[quej2003]

I love how so many people who are posting in this thread "I pwn healers, this is how" obviously do not even pvp(pvp=arena, bgs mean nothing)...

I hate to break this to you, but PvP=/=only arena...BGs are one form of PvP, arena's are another, even World PvP exists (you just have to know where to look for it really). So please don't show up with your statement full of complete incompotence (har har) saying so!

On topic, I find it quite tough against healers in a 1vs1 situation, and if they are still alive after 30seconds chances are I ain't going to kill em. I generally just try to apply as much pressure as I can from the word go, using silencing shot (ya presuming your MM I guess) right off the bat, normally saving my readiness for when silencing shot comes off CD a bit later for my final burst and hoping for some kill shot action. Really the best piece of advice I think to be given is, don't get disheartened and just keep trying till you find a strat that works for you!