Soul Stone Mechanic Ideal

[Antermosiph]

This is of course something I should put on the blizzard forums, however I wanted to get a few opinions here first.

Earlier in some of the blue posts blizzard had stated they were looking to make soul stone into something more like battle res, since currently its very well... useless? It has its perks but guessing who is going to die is fairly bad.

I was thinking of how to move around this without replicating another battle rez idea and thought of the following, if you have any opinions or comments i'd appreciate 'em.

Soulsphere - generates a soulsphere in the warlocks possession, upon usage the warlock will become a siphon for friendly souls. If a raid or party member dies within 55 yards of the warlock, they will be granted the option to resurrect at the warlocks location upon death. This only works once. The warlock can use this to resurrect themself. Xcooldown = Xduration

Soulstone - Same as before, only the soulstone is ONLY usable on the warlock. This is for people who are in PvP that don't want their soulsphere/soulstone cooldown wasted. Soulsphere and soulstone would of course share a cooldown.

[Ravemstr]

If a raid or party member dies within 55 yards of the warlock, they will be granted the option to resurrect at the warlocks location upon death

That means the first to die gets to res, that's wrong! Brez should be kept for someone who deserves it or for whatever the raid needs.
Example: A healer dies. 10 seconds after a dps dies. Your raid is fine on healing but they need dps in order to beat the enrage timer. You will want to brez the dps but because the healer died first he gets the res.... That doesn't work!
Better way:

You create a SoulStone. Keep it in your bags. 5 people die. Target one of the dead, click the SS, that guy gets a rez. Easy!

Modify the tooltip to whatever lore/class fitting text: "The warlock can catch the soul of the fallen and restore it in it's corpse bla bla bla" 10 min CD on creating a SoulStone, they cannot be created in combat! Done!

Edit:
We don't need two of them! Especially since they share a CD. That's just useless! We can use both on us, both share the CD so what's the point of having one only for us? That's stupid imo...
Make the SoulSphere like i wrote higher NOT usable on us. SoulStone ONLY usable on us. They don't share a CD! There!

[Antermosiph]

That means the first to die gets to res, that's wrong! Brez should be kept for someone who deserves it or for whatever the raid needs.
Example: A healer dies. 10 seconds after a dps dies. Your raid is fine on healing but they need dps in order to beat the enrage timer. You will want to brez the dps but because the healer died first he gets the res.... That doesn't work!
Better way:

You create a SoulStone. Keep it in your bags. 5 people die. Target one of the dead, click the SS, that guy gets a rez. Easy!

Modify the tooltip to whatever lore/class fitting text: "The warlock can catch the soul of the fallen and restore it in it's corpse bla bla bla" 10 min CD on creating a SoulStone, they cannot be created in combat! Done!

Of course, it isn't a Brez due to how it works. The goal here is to not make a second Brez, which is what blizzard said they didn't want to do. In a (good) group, generally even the one person who did die could be of aid when rezzed.


Perhaps it could rez two targets, but it's delayed? They rez banished for 30 seconds or some junk.

[Tehr]

If they share a cooldown, then the lock would always use Soulsphere.

Good idea, but it needs some tweaking to make it usable.

Edit: The Banish idea could work. But how about you make it a 3 second channel, at the end of which the person is rezzed? It can't be an instant cast, and it shouldn't be a random person.

[ComputerNerd]

I imagine that it will be targeted, much like the corrent battleres.
Simply allowing the first person to die to use it is not a good mechanism, since they may not be the best choice.
It will likely according to posts allow 1 res per combat in 10 man raids, or "more" in 25 man, with a shared cooldown with rebirth.

Or simply may replace the current soulstone mechanism - where you can either target a dead player to res them, you will have the choice of a ressurection should you die with it in your posession.
Removing the need for the buff, and does not require the creation of an additional item.

[Inshabel]

I imagine that it will be targeted, much like the corrent battleres.
Simply allowing the first person to die to use it is not a good mechanism, since they may not be the best choice.
It will likely according to posts allow 1 res per combat in 10 man raids, or "more" in 25 man, with a shared cooldown with rebirth.

Or simply may replace the current soulstone mechanism - where you can either target a dead player to res them, you will have the choice of a ressurection should you die with it in your posession.
Removing the need for the buff, and does not require the creation of an additional item.

This would be IMO the most logical and workable mechanic except that maybe instead of an actual item in your inventory it might be displayed as a resource like shards.

[Ciderian]

That means the first to die gets to res, that's wrong! Brez should be kept for someone who deserves it or for whatever the raid needs.

Soultion: Don't PuG. The Huntard who stood in fire isn't going to accept that on any progression fight unless instructed to by the raid leader.

OT: They should change it to more like the druid Brez, because they need to homogenize the battle rez for multiple classes.

[adynn]

Soultion: Don't PuG. The Huntard who stood in fire isn't going to accept that on any progression fight unless instructed to by the raid leader.

OT: They should change it to more like the druid Brez, because they need to homogenize the battle rez for multiple classes.

The hunter who stood in the fire *is* going to press it, evidence of this is that he stood in the fire, thus is of somewhat diminished mental capacity.

OT: I agree that it should just function like BR, I don't get why locks are wanting something unique in this scenario, as you'll be hard pressed to beat BR.

[Markatron]

The hunter who stood in the fire *is* going to press it, evidence of this is that he stood in the fire, thus is of somewhat diminished mental capacity.

OT: I agree that it should just function like BR, I don't get why locks are wanting something unique in this scenario, as you'll be hard pressed to beat BR.

Pretty sure if youre in a guild, even if you die to something blatantly stupid, you arent going to want to fuck up twice and snag a somewhat important raid cooldown. So the huntard whos in the guild, wouldnt auto accept and would wait for raid leader instructions.

[ComputerNerd]

This would be IMO the most logical and workable mechanic except that maybe instead of an actual item in your inventory it might be displayed as a resource like shards.

We don't need yet another resource, just something else to watch.
Actually I think it should be a hybrid between rebirth, and reincarnation.
The soulstone is a reagent for both abilities, therefore using one of them will remove the ability to use the other.
Maybe as simple as two spells, one a passive like reincarnation, and the other a targetable spell like rebirth.
Simply rehash them with warlock names, adjust the reagent cost if that even remains as a requirement and voila.
Minimal effort.

If the hunter is stupid enough to not get out of the fire, then they are stupid enough to press a button without reading, or because their position on the meter is suffering.
Being in a guild does not remove selfishness or stupidity.

[Bakis]

"Being in a guild does not remove selfishness or stupidity."
It most often limit it by about 90000% tho..

[Deleted]

Generally I run in a small 10 man group, none are bad players, and its impossible to predict which healer would die, which is generally where it would get the most use. Beyond a healer it might be valuable to keep an extra DPS alive, out of all the DPS in the raid you can't really predict which one would die.

I'm definately in favour of modifying soulstone.

I like your idea in general however letting someone just use your cooldown doesnt sound incredibly smart. Something a little more like casting soulstone and it uses the soul of everybody in range at the time of casting, which places the soulstone effect on the warlock.
Once someone has died, the warlock has the option to channel the stone containing their soul back into their body.

Or something...

[Antermosiph]

If you're in a decent guild, and that huntard was dumb enough to click the rez to accept, they generally won't get a raid spot. Especially if they repeat it on the next wipe attempt.

[Inshabel]

We don't need yet another resource, just something else to watch.
Actually I think it should be a hybrid between rebirth, and reincarnation.
The soulstone is a reagent for both abilities, therefore using one of them will remove the ability to use the other.
Maybe as simple as two spells, one a passive like reincarnation, and the other a targetable spell like rebirth.
Simply rehash them with warlock names, adjust the reagent cost if that even remains as a requirement and voila.
Minimal effort.

If the hunter is stupid enough to not get out of the fire, then they are stupid enough to press a button without reading, or because their position on the meter is suffering.
Being in a guild does not remove selfishness or stupidity.

It was just an idea to reduce the space in your inventory it would take, but I guess that doesn't really matter sicne we get our bagslot back I also cannont wrap my head around this "first one to die gets a rez" idea, are you really that desperate to get a unique ability from Druids?