Supreme alliance?

[Kornath]

This thread is going nowhere with the current discussion, so allow me to post two links that might help the discussion in a positive manner.
We can always hope.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Alliance

http://www.wowwiki.com/Horde

Read those two articles and then you can discuss who is stronger or weaker.

[Kyoshiro]

I will defend him till he returns.

No reason to insult them just cause they are different from you. Right?

I am sure hordies don't act like they are better at alliance stuff like RPing, being kind or having manners
So you shouldn't act like you have what makes horde good. Their races, lore or playerbase :P

Bless us all!

My question is why you are defending him when he gives extremely vague reasoning for the horde. He says using realism and logic here but that is what HE refuses to use. He only insults the alliance (wich makes me wonder who you directed "No reason to insult them just cause they are different from you" towards) and uses no logic in it only saying "Lerp derp gnome/dwarf is tiny dey suck".

And dont take me for a biased alliance fanboy because i have played horde since vanilla an only a year or so ago i started with alliance. I love the horde but i also enjoy the alliance and what Rhazgul says is the reason i left. Hardcore fanboys that refuses to take in logic when presented to them.

You say dwarfs are weaker because they are smaller than the horde races but they are extremely well built in terms of muscles. Dwarfs are very strong and fit (read up on the dwarf race if you dont believe me). I also suggest you read up on Mountain Kings. Dwarfs are not only extremely hard in their body but also prone to use logic and strategic advantages when it comes to fighting.

How are you so sure a gnome dies so easily? They have gadgets for a reason and why would the alliance with all their tactical knowledge not proctect them when it comes to battle. Perhaps they are small but that is why they work together and dont go solo like the horde. They are smart so they know its hard to win against a tauren on their terms wich is why they create their own terms instead.

They dont put heavyweights against lightweights because they want more different fights so that they can earn money. You cant be sure that the heavyweight would win because he might be bigger but that also makes him slower. More mass doesnt make you a better fighter and that is logic.

The question is why a human soldier would fight an orc in arm wrestling, now that makes no sense. Dwarfs are very strong so i would not want to take a hit from that. A person can only throw a spear at a certain amount of speed and with speed from the gryphon + the lighter weight from the dwarf it is more agile than said spear wich can only fly one way.

Almost every horde faction disslikes another one...now if you would have said tauren i might have believed you. They perhaps love competition but that does not equal better at warfare. That only means that they will compete amongst themselves in combat and that would destroy an army from within.

"horde is beautiful and we all could learn from them in our daily lives".. is this some woman thing i dont get?
Alliance is very much about war but they go about it in a more sophisticated way and not dogfighting. They go more for logic and if we go about it realisticly i can ask you this: how do you think a warstyle like the hordes would go about in todays society?

There is an equal amount of bad mannered and bad players on both alliance and horde. I know since i play them both.

I agree with bless us all

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My question is why you are defending him when he gives extremely vague reasoning for the horde. He says using realism and logic here but that is what HE refuses to use. He only insults the alliance (wich makes me wonder who you directed "No reason to insult them just cause they are different from you" towards) and uses no logic in it only saying "Lerp derp gnome/dwarf is tiny dey suck".

And dont take me for a biased alliance fanboy because i have played horde since vanilla an only a year or so ago i started with alliance. I love the horde but i also enjoy the alliance and what Rhazgul says is the reason i left. Hardcore fanboys that refuses to take in logic when presented to them.

You say dwarfs are weaker because they are smaller than the horde races but they are extremely well built in terms of muscles. Dwarfs are very strong and fit (read up on the dwarf race if you dont believe me). I also suggest you read up on Mountain Kings. Dwarfs are not only extremely hard in their body but also prone to use logic and strategic advantages when it comes to fighting.

How are you so sure a gnome dies so easily? They have gadgets for a reason and why would the alliance with all their tactical knowledge not proctect them when it comes to battle. Perhaps they are small but that is why they work together and dont go solo like the horde. They are smart so they know its hard to win against a tauren on their terms wich is why they create their own terms instead.

They dont put heavyweights against lightweights because they want more different fights so that they can earn money. You cant be sure that the heavyweight would win because he might be bigger but that also makes him slower. More mass doesnt make you a better fighter and that is logic.

The question is why a human soldier would fight an orc in arm wrestling, now that makes no sense. Dwarfs are very strong so i would not want to take a hit from that. A person can only throw a spear at a certain amount of speed and with speed from the gryphon + the lighter weight from the dwarf it is more agile than said spear wich can only fly one way.

Almost every horde faction disslikes another one...now if you would have said tauren i might have believed you. They perhaps love competition but that does not equal better at warfare. That only means that they will compete amongst themselves in combat and that would destroy an army from within.

"horde is beautiful and we all could learn from them in our daily lives".. is this some woman thing i dont get?
Alliance is very much about war but they go about it in a more sophisticated way and not dogfighting. They go more for logic and if we go about it realisticly i can ask you this: how do you think a warstyle like the hordes would go about in todays society?

There is an equal amount of bad mannered and bad players on both alliance and horde. I know since i play them both.

I agree with bless us all

My reasons are vague? Do gnomes look like they can take a beating? Do dwarves look like they can outrun a horde or have more explosive speed?
I don't insult alliance, they have their own personalities, sexual orientation, culture and intelligence. What they don't have however is fighters compared to horde. Be it aggression, body build or war tactics.

I could see you getting annoyed cause you show off your PvE tier 10 female character in your sig so you probably never were into PvP and there are alot of females playing alliance. Great for you. But really, there is nothing wrong with having a little fighting spirit and there is nothing wrong PvEing and chatting with girls on ventrilo, I'd rather go battlegrounds myself but I don't insult you for playing your way. So yeah alliance were insulting horde here.

Tauren, Troll, orc are extremely well built in terms of muscles too, I'd say ogres not as much with their huge beer bellies but they make up for that in size. I'm guessing dwarves are great at defending fortresses or that cave cities they live in but all around I'd say all hordies beat them.

You're telling a woman to read dwarf books? not even 5% of dwarf players are female characters. Probably lamest race in terms of female interest. Ehehehe fail.

I am sure casters need vision of whatever enemy they're aiming at + their upper body free so they can use their grand casting moves. 1 arrow to that baby body, 1 kill.
Why would horde be more prone to go solo? How would a midget with 300 IQ win over a 1 ton angry tauren? This annoys me with alliance. Making up weird reasons to give their arguments weight.

as a weightlifting MMA heavyweight I take insult to this. Obviously you have never sparred with different weight classes or faced a big bully in school. Do you know about champion Brock Lesnar in UFC? look him up instead of reading dwarf books. How exactly would a stubby legged fat dwarf be faster than horde races when they are closer shaped to sprinters/fast people while you alliance insist dwarves are sturdy and made to take a beating? Make up your minds?

If the gryphon was a pure unmounted big hawk it would probably be pretty hard to hit while dodging mid air. Now with a fat butt and a fat drunk driver trying to get a nice spin on his hammer. The gryphon is a sitting duck.

Here comes some confusion, cause we all talk about both the races and the player bases so ofc there is bound to be a mix up
We all were talking about players here, if you compare outside ogrimmar and stormwind or dalaran sewers. Look at the people duelling, alliance are less likely to duel or have a conversation about arena/battlegrounds or PvP in general while you see all the PvP gear decked undead rogues, tauren warriors, orc warlocks and whatnot hang around for hours. If someone on horde side act like a fucking noob there is no mercy, he needs to improve or GTFO. On alliance side they are more nice about it and boost him etc. ofc the sides have been blurred abit thanks to blood elves making up 40-60% of the horde playerbase right now /facepalm but you get the picture.
Yes, yes the horde races dislike each other but that is cause horde players enjoy a more mature and realistic faction over happy go lucky lotr alliance players. The races understand that if they don't trust or teamwork they will perish.

I don't agree that anyone should be blessed whatsoever.

[Kyoshiro]

My reasons are vague? Do gnomes look like they can take a beating? Do dwarves look like they can outrun a horde or have more explosive speed?
I don't insult alliance, they have their own personalities, sexual orientation, culture and intelligence. What they don't have however is fighters compared to horde. Be it aggression, body build or war tactics.

I could see you getting annoyed cause you show off your PvE tier 10 female character in your sig so you probably never were into PvP and there are alot of females playing alliance. Great for you. But really, there is nothing wrong with having a little fighting spirit and there is nothing wrong PvEing and chatting with girls on ventrilo, I'd rather go battlegrounds myself but I don't insult you for playing your way. So yeah alliance were insulting horde here.

Tauren, Troll, orc are extremely well built in terms of muscles too, I'd say ogres not as much with their huge beer bellies but they make up for that in size. I'm guessing dwarves are great at defending fortresses or that cave cities they live in but all around I'd say all hordies beat them.

You're telling a woman to read dwarf books? not even 5% of dwarf players are female characters. Probably lamest race in terms of female interest. Ehehehe fail.

I am sure casters need vision of whatever enemy they're aiming at + their upper body free so they can use their grand casting moves. 1 arrow to that baby body, 1 kill.
Why would horde be more prone to go solo? How would a midget with 300 IQ win over a 1 ton angry tauren? This annoys me with alliance. Making up weird reasons to give their arguments weight.

as a weightlifting MMA heavyweight I take insult to this. Obviously you have never sparred with different weight classes or faced a big bully in school. Do you know about champion Brock Lesnar in UFC? look him up instead of reading dwarf books. How exactly would a stubby legged fat dwarf be faster than horde races when they are closer shaped to sprinters/fast people while you alliance insist dwarves are sturdy and made to take a beating? Make up your minds?

If the gryphon was a pure unmounted big hawk it would probably be pretty hard to hit while dodging mid air. Now with a fat butt and a fat drunk driver trying to get a nice spin on his hammer. The gryphon is a sitting duck.

Here comes some confusion, cause we all talk about both the races and the player bases so ofc there is bound to be a mix up
We all were talking about players here, if you compare outside ogrimmar and stormwind or dalaran sewers. Look at the people duelling, alliance are less likely to duel or have a conversation about arena/battlegrounds or PvP in general while you see all the PvP gear decked undead rogues, tauren warriors, orc warlocks and whatnot hang around for hours. If someone on horde side act like a fucking noob there is no mercy, he needs to improve or GTFO. On alliance side they are more nice about it and boost him etc. ofc the sides have been blurred abit thanks to blood elves making up 40-60% of the horde playerbase right now /facepalm but you get the picture.
Yes, yes the horde races dislike each other but that is cause horde players enjoy a more mature and realistic faction over happy go lucky lotr alliance players. The races understand that if they don't trust or teamwork they will perish.

I don't agree that anyone should be blessed whatsoever.

Fighters aint just being in the forefront rushing at the enemy. There are different types of fighters but you only focus on strenght. I do agree that horde races are mostly stronger physically but that is your only argument. You just say "hey they are stronger so they win" but the alliance are better at using tactical warfare wich is an incredible tool to use in war.

So because i have an incredible art sig made by one on this forum you come to the conclusion that i never were into pvp... wow aint you narrow minded. I can tell you that i really enjoyed pvping pre-TBC and did some pvping in both TBC and WotLK and i did enjoy it and the competition it did bring but i enjoy pve more wich is why i do it. During my time on horde side i have played with more women than on the alliance side.
You dont think raiding with 25 other people requires fighting spirit? Then you havent raided seriously. You were just insulting my way of playing..

Im not telling her to read books, im simply sayin that if you read up on wowwiki you will see what dwarfs are about.

Ahh yes and im sure the alliance would put their gnome casters into a ditch (you see here is were war tactics come in handy). If you shoot and arrow in the same place for a gnome and a tauren, sure the gnome might die but do you really think the tauren wont be mortally wounded by it. Muscles dont stop arrows or bullets.
Horde (as you said) are very competetive to eachother in fighting. This will insure that they will try and overcome eachother in killing enemies they will be unwilling to help eachother kill because that means that they will either give a kill to a competetor or to give a kill to them both.
A gnome could kill him by being a mage and simply fireballing him to death, easy. But if you go by muscles he could sneak around the feet of the tauren. They could then slit the tendons on the tauren and down he goes. Nothing wierd about these reasonings.

Well did you even read what she said? she said boxing. The thing with MMA is that it is most likely to go on the ground but where in a battlefield do you see people hugging on the ground. It would be incredibly stupid to do so.
They are close to the ground and for a tauren to swing a haliberd with great power they would need great momentum. They cant just swing it one cm from the target and make it fly to the moon. During that swingtime and since they are closer to the ground they can read the pattern to where the swing will end. They read the pattern and attack when there is an opening. But since they are sturdy they can also take hits and easily get up.

You keep insisting that trolls or whatever are better shooters because dwarfs cant possibly reload as fast with a weapon as big as them. Hey genius they dont wear weapons made for taurens or trolls. They wear weapons that are fitted for dwarfs wich means that even though they are smaller than trolls their weapons are of their size wich then means that they have it easy to use them.

You are arguing about lore. In the game a dwarf hunter and a troll hunter is equal. They reload equally fast, they shoot as hard (with a bow). It is useless to argue about the races ingame since they are equal in the sense blizzard made them. There are probably as many duelists/PvPers on horde as alliance (ohh sorry forgot you have visited all the realms and have a genuine research done about this).
Hahaha ohh how i laugh at that. There are sooo many noobs on horde and i dont see anyone tell them to GTFO. On the server i play if you are an extremely hardcore noob you will be told to remove yourself. Something wrong with being nice and helpful?
Go to Stormscale EU and watch the trade chat. I dare you call that mature and realistic.
The horde races have no trust towards eachother and they only teamwork because they pretty much have too.

[Haven]

How come this thread still isn't locked?

[Midgetizer]

I would disagree saying that one side would win neither is going to win unless a truce is signed up while one side is winning and they keep the territory they gained and then a few years later they start it up again. Alliance is inferior to the Horde in magic.(Horde has the strongest mages BE and many dead Forsaken mages are former teachers of Dalaran coupled with the fact that Dalaran is neutral.), currently the only cure to the new plague is nothing. The Worgen are only immune to being raised by the Val'kyr from the dead they can still melt too ooze. Technology is equal despite people saying Gnomish is better its not its only more RELIABLE.

Actually, the world's best mages are the Highbourne, who will be rejoining the Kal'dorei in Cataclysm. The Sin'dorei are an offshoot of the Highbourne, yes, but they are much less powerful due to the fact the Highbourne have had millenia to practice their magic. With mages, time effectively equals skill, and the Highbourne have had quite alot of that in their exile.

On the subject of the forsaken plague, you are correct - nothing can withstand it. However, that makes it a double-edged sword - the horde are effected too. I would not be surprised if Gnomeregan-type events occured when the plague is utilized.

Neutral factions like the Green flight, Kirin Tor, and the Argent Crusade would never breach their neutrality unless the Horde or Alliance does something severely evil.(And even then the Kirin Tor has members of both sides in the leadership so they would debates who to side with.)

The Red Dragonflight counts as a neutral faction, too, right? Well, I'd be willing to think they'll be very displeased with Garrosh teaming up with the Dragonmaw clan. Surely Alexstrasza will forgive them for keeping her captive for years, allying themselves with Deathwing, and sending her children to the slaughter. Ysera was also pretty chummy with Alexstrasza so perhaps she'd like a word with the Dragonmaw too.

The Argent Crusade was formed to stop the Lich King. Surely they would have no problems with Sylvanas now exhibiting characteristics completely similar to Arthas, including his methods, right? ...Right?

Worgen are a very small population probably between the Gnomish(6,000.) and Troll(10,000.) population. Orcs and Forsaken outnumber the Worgen and the Tauren are also stronger then the Worgen.

Man, where do you pull your information? The worgen are members of a nation whose King withdrew from the Grand Alliance because he felt they could hold their own against the horde if it came right down to it. Whether or not that is true, the Gilneans were extremely intelligent. Add into the fact they now have unmatched agility and incredible strength, and you've got a truly potent fighting force.

Alliance military is weak the Horde has an already trained force with sucessful generals while the Alliance has untrained peasants and a large number of generals that have not seen a battle in ages. This is due to the civilization factor. The Alliance is older and more developed resulting in them having a large labor base then military base. The Horde is the opposite and has a large military base and small labor base. Obviously there are exceptions.(BE for Horde and I would now have to say Worgen for Alliance.)

The Alliance has been at constant war with the Horde for going on 6 years now. The war for resources brought upon by Cataclysm is certainly forcing the fighting to a new height, but it is nothing new. The Alliance military has been expanding, just as the Horde have.

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Fighters aint just being in the forefront rushing at the enemy. There are different types of fighters but you only focus on strenght. I do agree that horde races are mostly stronger physically but that is your only argument. You just say "hey they are stronger so they win" but the alliance are better at using tactical warfare wich is an incredible tool to use in war.

So because i have an incredible art sig made by one on this forum you come to the conclusion that i never were into pvp... wow aint you narrow minded. I can tell you that i really enjoyed pvping pre-TBC and did some pvping in both TBC and WotLK and i did enjoy it and the competition it did bring but i enjoy pve more wich is why i do it. During my time on horde side i have played with more women than on the alliance side.
You dont think raiding with 25 other people requires fighting spirit? Then you havent raided seriously. You were just insulting my way of playing..

Im not telling her to read books, im simply sayin that if you read up on wowwiki you will see what dwarfs are about.

Ahh yes and im sure the alliance would put their gnome casters into a ditch (you see here is were war tactics come in handy). If you shoot and arrow in the same place for a gnome and a tauren, sure the gnome might die but do you really think the tauren wont be mortally wounded by it. Muscles dont stop arrows or bullets.
Horde (as you said) are very competetive to eachother in fighting. This will insure that they will try and overcome eachother in killing enemies they will be unwilling to help eachother kill because that means that they will either give a kill to a competetor or to give a kill to them both.
A gnome could kill him by being a mage and simply fireballing him to death, easy. But if you go by muscles he could sneak around the feet of the tauren. They could then slit the tendons on the tauren and down he goes. Nothing wierd about these reasonings.

Well did you even read what she said? she said boxing. The thing with MMA is that it is most likely to go on the ground but where in a battlefield do you see people hugging on the ground. It would be incredibly stupid to do so.
They are close to the ground and for a tauren to swing a haliberd with great power they would need great momentum. They cant just swing it one cm from the target and make it fly to the moon. During that swingtime and since they are closer to the ground they can read the pattern to where the swing will end. They read the pattern and attack when there is an opening. But since they are sturdy they can also take hits and easily get up.

You keep insisting that trolls or whatever are better shooters because dwarfs cant possibly reload as fast with a weapon as big as them. Hey genius they dont wear weapons made for taurens or trolls. They wear weapons that are fitted for dwarfs wich means that even though they are smaller than trolls their weapons are of their size wich then means that they have it easy to use them.

You are arguing about lore. In the game a dwarf hunter and a troll hunter is equal. They reload equally fast, they shoot as hard (with a bow). It is useless to argue about the races ingame since they are equal in the sense blizzard made them. There are probably as many duelists/PvPers on horde as alliance (ohh sorry forgot you have visited all the realms and have a genuine research done about this).
Hahaha ohh how i laugh at that. There are sooo many noobs on horde and i dont see anyone tell them to GTFO. On the server i play if you are an extremely hardcore noob you will be told to remove yourself. Something wrong with being nice and helpful?
Go to Stormscale EU and watch the trade chat. I dare you call that mature and realistic.
The horde races have no trust towards eachother and they only teamwork because they pretty much have too.

Orcs live for war, they are outnumbered and rely on their natural ability to battle and use tactical warfare both which they improve cause the have a warrior culture and love it.

"I can tell you that i really enjoyed pvping pre-TBC"
BWAHAHAHA gee I wonder why? Those horribly time-costly PvP ranks? Maybe cause of a wee little something called resilience? So PvE heroes couldn't 1 shot pwn others? Your kin disgust me, you want others that can't devote the same amount of time to be your cannon fodder. I lost respect for you. Also no, don't mix patience with fighting spirit. The reflexes, desire, chaos, tactics required of PvP is not the same. PvE has other nice elements and polls show that alliance is clearly more femaleish, you probably spent your time with high blood elf count guilds.

And I'm telling you, telling a women to read about dwarves is to tell her to count sheep till she falls asleep. What if I told you to go read about hockey but you dislike hockey. How about that!? WoW itself or Lord of the Rings already do a fine jobs of showing what dwarves can or cannot.

Put gnomes in ditches? Would take a while to dig just to have the horde casters aim where to rain down their destruction better, no? Tauren are awesome, have you seen the spears the bulls of bullfighting take? :/ Do you know of the deadened nerves of undead? The regenerative trolls that required elves and humans to create the first alliance so they could win by great numbers? Lol this annoying, competitive part was battlegrounds and you can often see alliance on forums all say the same thing "everybody just rush alone and nobody uses teamwork" I love topping killing blow charts or being the best but I also love capping flags or defending bases. Horde seem to be able to mix these objectives in BGs if you meant in lore, let's take that single gnome rogue, he manages to cut one tendon with his baby hands then he MIGHT survive the enraged tauren's rage. Now take a horde rogue and make him sneak to a bunch of gnomes. Gently push both knives into two gnome spines, kick third gnome in the head knocking him out, jump on the fourth gnome, start swiping wildy at knee level etc etc. I really wouldn't see anything wrong with one assassin just pretty much kill a whole village of gnomes.


While MMA has takedowns, Boxing has these huge red gloves that you might have missed, only blows to the upper body and meant to last for like 10/15 rounds. In MMA you have thin gloves = more damage and explosiveness. Like a real deadly fight. If all bouts automatically ended up on the ground, the stand up fighters wouldn't exist in the sport.
if Tauren faced a fat midget with slow moving legs and had a halbred, he'd stab. Kinda takes alot of time to close in with your short arms when you see an opening in a guy with much longer reach.

The thing with people like you is, you watch alot of television or play alot of videogames and often there is a little girl or an average built guy taking on a behemoth and winning(david and goliath, sailormoon, the boss battles in action games, killing 1000 ogres in blade's edge mountain.) Real life doesn't work that way. I am sorry, the bigger guy will fuck you up.

Hey genius, if a random horde and a dwarf both has rifles, who can carry the LARGER rifle that does more damage and covers longer distances? Horde. Who carries the little tickling peashooter cause he has a difficulty reloading and moving about otherwise? dwarf.

I am arguing using realism. It is probably a little different for most countries but read up on what it takes to be a good sniper on your countries military websites. Go taunt a guy twice your size. Compare professional athletes(from boxing to MMA to the olympics) bodies with the bodies of horde and dwarf/gnome. Life is not those care bears or Sailormoon, go out and explore. Good luck.

aaaaaaaaand yep, horde is filled with complete noobs and immature people. they are called blood elves.