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    Blue Post 4.0 Ghostcrawler

    Rather than try and address multiple threads, I'm just going to plop our current thoughts in this one post. Please excuse the brevity.

    1) We think Fury, Arms, Feral cat and Retribution dps is too low and we will be buffing them.

    2) We think mage dps is too high, especially Fire, and will be nerfing it.

    3) We think Shadow priest dps is too high, but that's largely a result of Shadow Word: Death spam, which is tough on healers. We'll be fixing that.

    4) We think Destro warlock dps is too high, but that's largely a result of Searing Pain spam, which is tough on tanks. We'll be fixing that.

    5) As we suspected, PvP dps is just too high given that the health pools of Cataclysm haven't kicked in yet. While competitive PvP is over for the moment, we still want the environment to feel better so we will be buffing resilience. This change might be reverted at level 85.

    There will probably be more changes after another night of raiding and BGs. Many of the bug fixes we have made today will affect dps as well. Stay tuned.

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    Looks like we may get a fix sooner rather than later!

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    Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    Rather than try and address multiple threads, I'm just going to plop our current thoughts in this one post. Please excuse the brevity.

    1) We think Fury, Arms, Feral cat and Retribution dps is too low and we will be buffing them.

    2) We think mage dps is too high, especially Fire, and will be nerfing it.

    3) We think Shadow priest dps is too high, but that's largely a result of Shadow Word: Death spam, which is tough on healers. We'll be fixing that.

    4) We think Destro warlock dps is too high, but that's largely a result of Searing Pain spam, which is tough on tanks. We'll be fixing that.

    5) As we suspected, PvP dps is just too high given that the health pools of Cataclysm haven't kicked in yet. While competitive PvP is over for the moment, we still want the environment to feel better so we will be buffing resilience. This change might be reverted at level 85.

    There will probably be more changes after another night of raiding and BGs. Many of the bug fixes we have made today will affect dps as well. Stay tuned.
    Got a proper quote there for ya.

    Gotta say, excited.
    Originally Posted by Daxxarri (Blue Tracker)
    What you're experiencing is world PvP on a PvP realm. I realize that it's not for everyone, but it's not something that we plan to adjust. The harsh reality is that life on a PvP realm can be difficult, and if you aren't prepared for the rigors of playing on such a realm, then it's probably in your best interest to transfer to a normal realm, or, if you cannot afford that, then consider creating a new character on a normal realm.
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    Dang, swdeath was so fun, I knew it was too good to last...

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    Oh good. It seems the tidings of doom people have been hashing back and forth are going to be rectified. That's nice.

    People will still make twelve thousand threads a day about how each of those issues is ruining the game though.

    I agree with the mage part especially. My mage has the best non-raid gear I could get, including Quel'Delar, and I can get arcane blast to crit for over 50k in groups.

    That is an absolutely preposterous amount of damage.

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    If they were whining when they(casters) had high dmg, imagine now.

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    yes so can we kill that fury warr QQ thread then?

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    Lets kill LK25HC before changes go live!

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    Quote Originally Posted by frag971 View Post
    Lets kill LK25HC before changes go live!
    I wouldn't be surprised if a few PuGs and guilds were doing just that atm.

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    yea now sounds like a time to get some casters and rip up lk heroic 25 to be honest

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    Should be nerfing arcane as well then. Nerfing fire but not arcane is fucking stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KassieDS View Post
    Should be nerfing arcane as well then. Nerfing fire but not arcane is fucking stupid.
    We think mage dps is too high, especially Fire, and will be nerfing it.

    l2read, the nerf bat is for the mage class not just fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KassieDS View Post
    Should be nerfing arcane as well then. Nerfing fire but not arcane is fucking stupid.
    "We think mage dps is too high, especially Fire, and will be nerfing it." the key word here is 'especially'

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    80% of the QQers are still going to post threads because they don't read. Just complain complain complain...

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    Yeah it's 3am. Would like to care. But i don't.

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    Well, I sure am glad that Mage DPS is being nerfed into the ground. I mean, at least I can respec to another role so I don't have to-

    Oh.

    Oh right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuravolpe View Post
    Oh good. It seems the tidings of doom people have been hashing back and forth are going to be rectified. That's nice.

    People will still make twelve thousand threads a day about how each of those issues is ruining the game though.

    I agree with the mage part especially. My mage has the best non-raid gear I could get, including Quel'Delar, and I can get arcane blast to crit for over 50k in groups.

    That is an absolutely preposterous amount of damage.
    he said Fire dps, not arcane, if arcane can get 51k crits and higher why isn't that being nerfed instead of fire?
    Unfortunately, until the people at Blizzard take time to quit explaining why they are right and anyone who disagrees is wrong, they are not going to even hear everyone speaking out desperately trying to warn them the ship is sinking.
    the problems driving players from WoW aren't content or the age of the game, the problem is how the game experience and design philosophy are being undermined by Blizzard's hubris and greed.

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    So yeah nothing we didn't expect in the end. Mage is nuts(over 14k dps in t9.5) lock is nuts(destro was just unbelivable sick) and spreist sw: d spam will prolly get a 6 second cd(yay).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baygon View Post
    he said Fire dps, not arcane, if arcane can get 51k crits and higher why isn't that being nerfed instead of fire?
    "We think mage dps is too high, especially Fire, and will be nerfing it."

    Let me translate that for you.

    "We think ALL mage DPS is too high, but Fire in particular is WAY too high, and will be nerfing mage DPS to be more in line with the rest of the DPS."
    Last edited by Emaluri; 2010-10-14 at 02:15 AM. Reason: unduly harsh
    Originally Posted by Daxxarri (Blue Tracker)
    What you're experiencing is world PvP on a PvP realm. I realize that it's not for everyone, but it's not something that we plan to adjust. The harsh reality is that life on a PvP realm can be difficult, and if you aren't prepared for the rigors of playing on such a realm, then it's probably in your best interest to transfer to a normal realm, or, if you cannot afford that, then consider creating a new character on a normal realm.
    Grim Campfire

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    Emaluri, Thank you for the giggle, there are pockets of coffee all around my desk at work <3

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerraMagus View Post
    Well, I sure am glad that Mage DPS is being nerfed into the ground. I mean, at least I can respec to another role so I don't have to-

    Oh.

    Oh right.
    go compare the 18k dps that you are pulling to the rest of the melee.
    Actually Mr. Lennon, I can imagine a world with no war, hate, religion, or violence. I can also imagine attacking such a world, because they would never see it coming

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