Glenn Greenwald: NSA and GCHQ discrediting Reputations in online forums/media

[WarpKnight]

No where did I say that, but if you think the government puts top secret documents in a power point presentation...... like I said I have some beach front property.

If you think they don't have meetings around long tables, seminars or the like.. and that they only speak to each other about these programs in hushed tones in dimly lit rooms.. then I have beach front property for YOU..

Hell yeah! Of course we need to remain sensible ourselves and not foam at the mouth over something that is pretty obviously fake.

Obviously so? Have you seen the other 'NSA slide' releases? All the information contained in those was quite readily accepted by the internet as a whole. If I was more cynical I'd even go so far as to say your "hell yeah" followed by "remaining sensible" and "obviously" were fairly disingenuous to proper discussion and were more the domain of one of these "disinformation" types described in these kinds of Snowden leaks..

[poser765]

If you think they don't have meetings around long tables, seminars or the like.. and that they only speak to each other about these programs in hushed tones in dimly lit rooms.. then I have beach front property for YOU..

No one is denying that. The thing is, my friend, we already have enough evidence of a shady NSA...we really don't need to get all indignant over fake seeming "evidence."

[Orange Joe]

If you think they don't have meetings around long tables, seminars or the like.. and that they only speak to each other about these programs in hushed tones in dimly lit rooms.. then I have beach front property for YOU..

You seem to be reading some text that I'm not writing, but please continue, it's kinda funny watching you do this.

[Notchris]

No where did I say that, but if you think the government puts top secret documents in a power point presentation...... like I said I have some beach front property.

A shitty quality powerpoint at that.

[WarpKnight]

Ridiculous, if this thread proves anything, it's that allegations of divide and conquer tactics are quite well founded.

[Orange Joe]

Ridiculous, if this thread proves anything, it's that allegations of divide and conquer tactics are quite well founded.

If anything, it proves people only read what they want to read.

[Spectral]

No one is denying that. The thing is, my friend, we already have enough evidence of a shady NSA...we really don't need to get all indignant over fake seeming "evidence."

I'm not really clear what seems fake about this. All of the internet security training and such I've had that's been drawn up by government employees or contractors is similarly dumbed down. Also, if there was a speaker, a powerpoint should be really simple.

Of course, it's entirely plausible that it's fake, but I don't know why it definitely would be.

[poser765]

If you think they don't have meetings around long tables, seminars or the like.. and that they only speak to each other about these programs in hushed tones in dimly lit rooms.. then I have beach front property for YOU..



Obviously so? Have you seen the other 'NSA slide' releases? All the information contained in those was quite readily accepted by the internet as a whole. If I was more cynical I'd even go so far as to say your "hell yeah" followed by "remaining sensible" and "obviously" were fairly disingenuous to proper discussion and were more the domain of one of these "disinformation" types described in these kinds of Snowden leaks..

No but I have seen better slide show presentations by firms with smaller budgets. It's a veneer. It;s like the release of a transcript reportedly between two spies who talk exactly like you would expect spies to talk based on the dialogue of really bad paperback spy novels.

Also, yes I MUST be an NSA plant sense I don't blindly except any evidence that pops up on the web showing how evil they are. That does nothing but weaken your argument.

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I'm not really clear what seems fake about this. All of the internet security training and such I've had that's been drawn up by government employees or contractors is similarly dumbed down. Also, if there was a speaker, a powerpoint should be really simple.

Of course, it's entirely plausible that it's fake, but I don't know why it definitely would be.

It's not the content so much as the production that makes me question it's validity.

[Deleted]

So how fake is this on a scale from 1-10 with 10 being made by dogemon?

If it turns out to be the real deal I think I need to close up my business and apply to be their inhouse designer because this thing looks attrocious. Whom ever made this should be ashamed of their design skills! Usch!

[ringpriest]

So how fake is this on a scale from 1-10 with 10 being made by dogemon?

If it turns out to be the real deal I think I need to close up my business and apply to be their inhouse designer because this thing looks attrocious. Whom ever made this should be ashamed of their design skills! Usch!

Don't wrap up your current job just yet. Whoever made the leaked power point (operating under the presumption that it's real) doubtless had to have super double top secret clearance AND be working for a firm cleared to do business with the NSA, or actually inside the NSA. They very likely weren't chosen to make the slideshow for their mad Power Points skillz, but because they were in the right place, with the right access, at the right time.

[mvaliz]

It's not the content so much as the production that makes me question it's validity.

It's both honestly.

The production is laughable... the custom internet meme-photos have better production value than that. This was literally produced by somebody who JUST discovered they can put type into Photoshop.

And, secondly, do you REALLY believe any government agency would use such clear-cut language and description and such short bursts? The first point alone needs to have about 10 extra charts and graphs to detail its point...

I honestly don't know which is worse, how badly this prank was done, or how much some people WANT to believe it as true...

[Gaiseric]

The lines at the bottom of the slide are called classification taglines or banner lines. They are required to be on ALL documents (yes this includes power point slides), even unclassified documents, that are produced within a classified environment. I am not saying that these slides are real, but anyone saying that they aren't real BECAUSE they have top secret written in bold red letters at the bottom are just ignorant of what actual classified documents look like.

Don't believe me? it's not like this is difficult information to look up, here is a link to an unclassified PDF document from an official .mil address that explains in detail how you are to mark all classified correspondence/documents. Jump to page 19 if you want the relevant passage.