No p2p trading

[Hellspawnx]

Ok so I LOVE GUILDWARS 2 But thier no P2P trading policy sucks for a good reason Ill explain, why they need P2P added along with and not only limited to Mail trading.

Secure item too item trading. Currently in GW2 the only way to trade an item to someone is to mail it to them, but what if which happens ALOT you wish to trade an item for an item. This is what happens you have to mail your Sword to the person hoping the person will inturn mail the Shield you asked for as trade. But theres nothing stopping that person from recieving your sword and not sending the shield in return. Anyone who thinks this wont happen ALOT is foolish. On some level 30 green item who cares but what if its a level 80 took you weeks to obtain item that just got ninjad because of no P2P trade then youll be singing a diffent tune.

I love Guildwars 2 but theres no reason NO REASON AT ALL that they cant have the mailing system and P2P trading. its sloppy, unsecure and annoying.

You watch and see, I bet almost everything I just explained happens to all of you, when it needlessly doesnt have too.

[Mif]

Meet the player in game.
Select them.
Right click their name in the target section of the UI
Select "Send mail"

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---------- Post added 2012-07-30 at 12:29 AM ----------

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From ArenaNet on the BWE3 forum:

Hey guys,

The no face-to-face trade is a real decision and it’s primarily a question of trust (as many of you have noted). But it’s also a decision to protect players from scamming and protect the economy from black-markets. Let’s run through some quick examples.

1) Give something to my friend. – As several of you noted, target your friend, right click the item and select ‘mail-to…’. Done, this works in contact list, guild list, or in world anywhere without having to ‘meet’ them or ‘catch’ them.

2) Get a fair price for an item (anti-scam). – Because ALL trading goes through the trading post we can guarantee that highest bidder meets lowest seller and we can give every player the benefit of current market information.

3) Barter item-for-item. This is the grey area and also the most risky kind of trade because even with UI many items look alike in icon and many social engineering scams take place in this kind of system. It’s a risky trade environment which is why when you support it you have to have these multi-stage UI’s where everyone double-checks everything, and then eventually get’s lazy and stops double-checking and gets scammed anyways.

In the end we decided with super easy access to mail for trusted trades and trading post for untrusted trades that such a system wasn’t worth the risk, complication, and fragmenting the player market off of the trading post..

In testing we’ve found that mail is easier 90% of the time we’d want trade and the other 10% trading post is far safer and avoids drama and thing like random trade windows being thrown at you and lots of other unsavory hawking in game.

Hope that all makes sense.

[Hellspawnx]

Meet the player in game.
Select them.
Right click their name in the target section of the UI
Select "Send mail"

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Ok but is there a way for me to put my sword in the mail standing by the person then them placing the shield in the same trade window then both of accepting the trading knowing were trading the items at the sametime in a secure manor. Or am I still taking a risk having to mail the sword first?

And BTW thanks for that information of being able to click on someone and sending mail I never noticed that so #2 #3 #4 are now issues not needed to worry about Ill delete those complaints thanks Mif.

[Mif]

Ok but is there a way for me to put my sword in the mail standing by the person then them placing the shield in the same trade window then both of accepting the trading knowing were trading the items at the sametime in a secure manor. Or am I still taking a risk having to mail the sword first?

Nope.

This
1) Cuts down on trade spam in chat channels
2) Stops gold sellers and black market RMT

[Deleted]

#4 Miss spelling a name losing Loot. THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED last beta weekend. My name is Hellspawnxx ingame my buddie kept getting some items that were for my Warrior and mailing them to me even though he was RIGHT BESIDE ME!!! "annoying as hell for him" but one item dropped a green sword he linked it I was like friggin sweet ya ill take that. Agian I was RIGHT BESIDE HIM!!!! But out of 5 Mails he sent this being the most important with the sweet Green sword he accidently typed Hellspawnx not Hellspawnxx so I lost my sword and it got mailed to someone else on the server.

So u blame developers for your friend mistake? GG there. I mailed around 50 items during BWE 3 and never lost anything and friends of mine got all the items. And just like Mif said. You can click his prtrait or right click his nae in party window or in guild window or whatever. Or just tell him to spell correctly your nickname

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1lIAJZkNxY

[ddsad2212]

There are good points to each side. Trade used to be nice but it had its problems. However the only true problem in my opinion with trade is people spamming it. I think they should keep it but you can only trade with your friends, this should stop trade spamming and it would mean you could add someone to friends list if you actually want to trade with them.

[Jovanaar]

Honestly, I had my thoughts when this first came to light. But after experiencing it was the easiest thing ever.

Let's say you run around doing your thing and the next monster you kill has a Masterwork Sword. But you don't use swords. However your friend, who happens to be somewhere else and might/might not discovered the region where you are.

Two clicks away and the pigeon is carrying a big ass sword to your friend.

It only takes 3 seconds.

[Deleted]

Best thing in item4item trading would be if you mailed an item to someone and they needed to send their item before they could collect the item that was sent to them, like the system in wow where you need to send money before you can actually grab the item that was sent to you. Dont like that you have to use the AH if you want a secure trade really, mailing a item without any secure way of knowing if you get yours is not nice. the whole click a friend and mail item works fine if there´s a trusted person on the other end, thats not always the case...what if you want to give a item to someone that isnt really a close friend that you really dont trust very much, but you dont want to go to the AH and set the whole deal up but you want to make a deal right there.

[Deleted]

In all honesty compared to the awful system they had in the first game of no mail and just meeting people. I remember trading stuff for my HoM really was a pain >.>

Way I see it, the auction house is also there, and most of the time I'd be mailing is giving crafting stuff for free to someone if they needed it. Istantly mailed anywhere in the world, love it.

[Kuntantee]

3) Barter item-for-item. This is the grey area and also the most risky kind of trade because even with UI many items look alike in icon and many social engineering scams take place in this kind of system. It’s a risky trade environment which is why when you support it you have to have these multi-stage UI’s where everyone double-checks everything, and then eventually get’s lazy and stops double-checking and gets scammed anyways.

Summary: We won't be hiring game masters to take care of in-game scam issues.

Don't get me wrong I have no problem with the system but this is the truth in my opinion. WoW is using trade system for ages and it's working fine. If you dare to scam(material stealing for instance) a player in WoW, you will get punished for it and victim will get their item instantly.

[Lucky_]

Summary: We won't be hiring game masters to take care of in-game scam issues.

Don't get me wrong I have no problem with the system but this is the truth in my opinion. WoW is using trade system for ages and it's working fine. If you dare to scam(material stealing for instance) a player in WoW, you will get punished for it and victim will get their item instantly.

In a way, that's actually a positive. NCSoft handles game master tasks in all its subsidiaries' games, and frankly their GMs are worst of the lot by a large margin. It's not as if they're suddenly going to get a lot better because of release of yet another game. The less you have to try to communicate (because actually communicating with GMs from NCSoft is borderline impossible) the better.

[Kaykay]

Summary: We won't be hiring game masters to take care of in-game scam issues.

Don't get me wrong I have no problem with the system but this is the truth in my opinion. WoW is using trade system for ages and it's working fine. If you dare to scam(material stealing for instance) a player in WoW, you will get punished for it and victim will get their item instantly.

which makes sense for a non-subsciption mmo. Gotta cut monthly costs where you can to make it a better business.

[Kelesti]

In a way, that's actually a positive. NCSoft handles game master tasks in all its subsidiaries' games, and frankly their GMs are worst of the lot by a large margin. It's not as if they're suddenly going to get a lot better because of release of yet another game. The less you have to try to communicate (because actually communicating with GMs from NCSoft is borderline impossible) the better.

From my experience with a couple of issues from GW1, I can agree that the GM interactions left a far bit to be desired.

If ANet takes steps to minimize the need for these people, where possble, this is a good thing for us, the gamers.

[Mif]

From my experience with a couple of issues from GW1, I can agree that the GM interactions left a far bit to be desired.

If ANet takes steps to minimize the need for these people, where possble, this is a good thing for us, the gamers.

I can't believe you're going to let him get away with such obvious trolling.

Congrats on becoming part of the problem with this subforum.

Actually, you're part of the problem. When people can't level any criticism about the game or ArenaNet without being shouted down or insulted, it creates a closed community. That's not a good thing. Let's show a little respect to those with differing opinions and not jump on them simply because they don't believe ArenaNet and GW2 are the best things to happen to gaming. -Edge

[Durzlla]

Summary: We won't be hiring game masters to take care of in-game scam issues.

Don't get me wrong I have no problem with the system but this is the truth in my opinion. WoW is using trade system for ages and it's working fine. If you dare to scam(material stealing for instance) a player in WoW, you will get punished for it and victim will get their item instantly.

Gms don't do that.... I scammed wow for 3 years by selling tabby cats (or some other cat from crazy cat lady) saying they were the 5g ones from DM and made a freakig killing, did I get reported? OH YEAH!! All the GMs did was said, "don't do that!" slapped me on the wrist and nothing, I continued to scam while talking to GM and GASP!! They didn't do anything!! GMs aren't there to keep players from taking advantage of stupid people, not their job.Idk here you got that idea from...

For the whole lack of P2P trading.... Yeah idc the only people I trade an item for an item with are guildies or close friends.

[Delias]

I can't believe you're going to let him get away with such obvious trolling.

Congrats on becoming part of the problem with this subforum.

NCsoft doesn't have the best customer service. Just because he tends to troll doesn't mean every word to come out of his.. keyboard.. is trolling.

[Allanon the Mystic]

NCsoft doesn't have the best customer service. Just because he tends to troll doesn't mean every word to come out of his.. keyboard.. is trolling.

Thank goodness a lot of their ingame related issues are going to ANet and not NCSoft.

[Mif]

NCsoft doesn't have the best customer service. Just because he tends to troll doesn't mean every word to come out of his.. keyboard.. is trolling.

There's having an opinion, and then there's:
"their GMs are worst of the lot by a large margin."
"communicating with GMs from NCSoft is borderline impossible"

[Allanon the Mystic]

There's having an opinion, and then there's:
"their GMs are worst of the lot by a large margin."
"communicating with GMs from NCSoft is borderline impossible"

The last one, for me anyway, is pretty much exact. The way they have their entire system is just so annoying that it ruins my entire experience with them.