Need Help deciding on new pc build

[Namegoeshere]

Hello everyone. i want to build a new pc as the title says ^.^. I've never built a pc before but i hear it will save me money. my budget is 800-1000$. i want to be able to run WoW on highest possible graphics, also id like to be able to run Battlefield 3 on ultra and the new Company of hero's 2 on ultra and either ultra on the up coming battle field 4 game or somewhere near to it. id like to be able to run multiple programs in the background also since i like to multitask a lot and be lag free. any advice or help would be greatly appreciated since i am a complete and utter NOOB to this.

[Angella]

Hello everyone. i want to build a new pc as the title says ^.^. I've never built a pc before but i hear it will save me money. my budget is 800-1000$. i want to be able to run WoW on highest possible graphics, also id like to be able to run Battlefield 3 on ultra and the new Company of hero's 2 on ultra and either ultra on the up coming battle field 4 game or somewhere near to it. id like to be able to run multiple programs in the background also since i like to multitask a lot and be lag free. any advice or help would be greatly appreciated since i am a complete and utter NOOB to this.

At $800-$1k it won't save you any money to build it yourself. What components do you have already? Screen? Keyboard? Mouse? Speakers? For that kind of change I'd be looking to overclock an i5 3570k or i5 haswell equivalent chip. You'll want something like a corsair h100i stock liquid cooling to allow for overclocking. Spend half your money on a graphics card.

[Toffie]

Can you fill out this form for us to help you?

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-build-Read-me!

[Deleted]

Of course he can save money building it himself. H100 isn't needed to do overclocking by any means.

@OP

It would be helpful if you could answer these questions:

Want-help-with-your-build-Read-me!

Edit: As Toffie mentioned

[chazus]

At $800-$1k it won't save you any money to build it yourself.

False.

You'll want something like a corsair h100i stock liquid cooling to allow for overclocking.

I wouldn't recommend it, really. OC can be done without, and cheaper.

Spend half your money on a graphics card.

No

[Angella]

False.

I wouldn't recommend it, really. OC can be done without, and cheaper.

No

1. Buy it from the right vendor. Dell/Apply/etc need not apply. It WILL be cheaper than what you'd pay to build it yourself at anything under $1.5k.

2. Can OC with air, but you're giving up 10% performance.

3. chip ~ $200; mobo ~ $150; case ~ $30; RAM ~ $60; GPU ~ $500; SSD ~ $100

Maybe $100 for random other components. But that's the general spread I'd opt for for a pure gaming rig.

[chazus]

1. Buy it from the right vendor. Dell/Apply/etc need not apply. It WILL be cheaper than what you'd pay to build it yourself at anything under $1.5k.

Yeah, no. Just no. There is no prebuilt vendor that can get it cheaper, unless theres like... a very lucky refurb sale.

2. Can OC with air, but you're giving up 10% performance.

Utterly false.

3. chip ~ $200; mobo ~ $150; case ~ $30; RAM ~ $60; GPU ~ $500; SSD ~ $100

Again, there's really no reason to spend $500 on the GPU. Your numbers are all screwed up. Less on the mobo, more on the case. Not only that, but on a $1000 budget... you shouldnt be spending 500 on the card... Since you're leaving out so many other parts as it is with that list.

[Angella]

Yeah, no. Just no. There is no prebuilt vendor that can get it cheaper, unless theres like... a very lucky refurb sale.


Utterly false.


Again, there's really no reason to spend $500 on the GPU. Your numbers are all screwed up. Less on the mobo, more on the case. Not only that, but on a $1000 budget... you shouldnt be spending 500 on the card... Since you're leaving out so many other parts as it is with that list.

Tell ya what give me specs and I'll find one cheaper than newegg components.

Are you really claiming you can OC on air at equivalent to liquid cooling? How many fans are you using?

Agree there's prob another $100/200 random stuff you need to get. Nothing earth shattering and bear in mind he's asking for a gaming rig.

[chazus]

Tell ya what give me specs and I'll find one cheaper than newegg components.

Find me a 3570K, with no less than a 7870XT, 8gb of ram, at least a 500gb drive, and an OS for under $1000. SSD is optional. A better video card might be worth sacrificing it.

Are you really claiming you can OC on air at equivalent to liquid cooling? How many fans are you using?

Are you claiming that water cooling can get 5.4ghz, since air cooling can easily do 4.9?

Agree there's prob another $100/200 random stuff you need to get.

Random stuff like.. OS.... Power supply.. cooler... optical drive...

[Deleted]

This is at the higher end of the budget (with Windows 7), so much of what you're saying Angella is wrong but I'm not going to engage in that debate and clutter the thread. We still don't know for sure all his or hers needs so this is assuming some:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 56.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Pro3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($122.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($62.13 @ TigerDirect)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($93.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($254.29 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT Source 220 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.03 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1045.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-02 18:34 EDT-0400)

[chazus]

I agree, focus on what the OP needs, but you're welcome to PM me.

[Namegoeshere]

Budget: 800-1000$
Resolution: 1920x1080
Games / Settings Desired: WoW , Battlefield 3 and 4, Company of Heros 2. Good/ultra
Any other intensive software or special things you do (Frequent video encoding, 3D modeling, etc): none
Country: USA
Parts that can be reused: None
Do you need an OS?: Nope have Windows 7 copy
Do you need peripherals (e.g. monitor, mouse, keyboard, speakers, etc)? No i have all

[Deleted]

Okay adjusted build, how does that look?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 56.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Pro3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($122.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($62.13 @ TigerDirect)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($93.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($269.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 220 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.03 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $971.65
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-02 19:54 EDT-0400)

[Namegoeshere]

Okay adjusted build, how does that look?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 56.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Pro3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($122.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($62.13 @ TigerDirect)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($93.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($269.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 220 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.03 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $971.65
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-02 19:54 EDT-0400)

do i need both of the storages or is the sold state disk optional?

[Deleted]

I guess it is optional though I would highly recommend it with a budget like yours. SSD is faster reboots, faster loading games, reloading games/UI, smoother/snappier feeling system. If you don't need tons of storage you could drop the 1TB HDD and just get a 250GB version of the SSD ($160), i know that wouldn't save anything but the performance is great and less micromanaging on the SSD in the future.

If you don't get an SSD I recommend switching the HDD to a Black version like this:

Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB

[Deleted]

do i need both of the storages or is the sold state disk optional?

Once you go SSD you don't go back...

[chazus]

Once you go SSD you don't go back...

Pretty much this. Having an SSD is fantastic, but also a luxury part. It isn't necessary, nor performance increasing (FPS). Despite that, I can't not use one on any of my systems anymore. Personally, I don't play heavy GPU games (BF3) so I'm happy with my video card. If I did, I -might- have considered taking a beefier card (I have a 660, which is weaker than the 7870 XT) when I bought my parts. The $1000 mark is straddling the line of 'SSD or not'... any more than 1000 and not getting an SSD is a negligence. Any less than 1000, and the SSD starts to do performance damage on your budget. So... Up to you, really. >.> (I would take it, though, if it were me)

[yurano]

I wouldn't recommend it, really. OC can be done without, and cheaper.

Unless you're on Haswell.

[chazus]

Unless you're on Haswell.

I'm not saying you're wrong, more that I just haven't kept up to date on Haswell benchmarks/reviews. I know it runs hotter, and will be harder to OC to the same levels... But some people are saying that you need better cooling to even reach over 4.0ghz. At the same time, the people saying this are also the people selling the $100-$150 products, the same people saying you needed those $100-$150 products for IB OC. Are there any links you have handy/easy to find showing that getting 4.4 to 4.5 on Haswell -requires- something like a Noctua, or water cooling?

[yurano]

Are there any links you have handy/easy to find showing that getting 4.4 to 4.5 on Haswell -requires- something like a Noctua, or water cooling?

HardOCP - thermal limit at 4.8 Ghz on a custom loop.

Here we see our i7-4770K running at a very stable 4.5GHz/1866MHz with a "very low" 1.136v Core Voltage. Our per-core temperatures of 63C to 67C, are staying well within manageable parameters. Worth keeping in mind here is that it has been reported to us that some 4770K processors have required 1.2v to maintain stability at 4.3GHz.

• 70% of CPUs can clock to 4.5GHz
• 30% of CPUs can clock to 4.6GHz
• 20% of CPUs can clock to 4.7GHz
• 10% of CPUs can to 4.8GHz

Overall you will find most CPUs capable of reaching 44x to 45x with varying levels of voltage.

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• For voltages up to 1.250-1.265 a Cooling solution meeting a minimum of a Corsair H80i is advised, superior performance can be offered by moving to the H90 or higher performing dual fan closed loop solutions.
• For voltages up to 1.275-1.300 a cooling solution meeting a minimum of a Corsair H100i is advised.
• For voltages up to or greater than 1.300v a high performance water cooling system is recommended. Minimum recommendation would be a unit such as Koolance EX2-755.
• For voltages up to or greater than 1.350 a high performance water cooling system is recommended. Minimum recommendation would be a unit such as a Koolance EX2-1055.

Sweoverclockers - H80i - 4.6 Ghz 4670K 1.248V, 4.4 Ghz 4770K 1.312V

Bit-tech: From here, though, the temperatures increased rapidly and we reached our limit of 4.7GHz using 1.257V and a scorching temperature of 98°C, and that's using a Corsair H100i, which we know to offer the best cooling short of a custom water-cooling kit.