Possible solution for Demon Hunter lovers.

[Deleted]

We all love demon hunter and would love to see this class implemented in WoW but if it won't be done here is a nice solution.

modifying the glyph of demon hunting:
1. Cosmetic:
- wings in DA are changed to resemble metamorphosis's ones more (in terms of animations).
- while in DA warlock retains his "demonic look" (so he looks like he has 1000/1000 fury all the time)
- while in DA warlock wears a set of warglaives instead of his equipped weapon. (so some nice glaives are displayed instead of a staff)
- wings can be used to hover while standing in one place for some time
2. Abilities:
- remove all of the defensive abilities provided by DA, instead transform spells into melee abilities (demonic slash etc.)
- give warlock Immolate (like in W3)
3. Stats:
- while in DA warlock retains 50 % of the damage bonus provided by metamorphosis
- damage reduction normally provided by DA is halved.
- while in DA armor is increased by 40 %
- in DA all spells consume mana not demonic fury.

Generally, I want warlock to have a melee dps stance. This could be done with a little help from this glyph.
Since blizz said they don't want demo warlock to tank this glyph makes little sense the way it is.
Demo locks would have a choice to be either ranged or melee damage dealers, if they choose melee (DA), they get increased armor and dmg but they lose ranged spells, choosing to be ranged would be exactly like it is now.
In DA you would gain demonic fury so you could use metamorph and dps like normal warlock (changin to Meta wouldn't make you lose DF as it does now).
Without a lot of work players would still get something very close to a demon hunter if devs feel like there is no space for such class.

Spell changes idea (in DA):
- Corruption stays as it is.
- Shadowbolt -> Demonic slash
- Hellfire -> Immolate(W3-ish)
- Hand of gul'dan -> Shadowflame Cleave (X initial dmg + DoT on targets up to 6 yards away and in front of warlock)
- Soul fire -> Soul slash (fire dmg, always crits, deals 100 % more dmg if target is below 35 % health, leaves DoT on target dealing 50 % of damage done over 6 seconds)
- As for drain life and mortal coil I think that they should stay the way they are.
- In terms of Fear, i would remove its cast time but give it 20 sec. CD
- Demonic leap transforms into Demonic charge.

Sorry for poor english. What do you think about this idea?

[Teriz]

Really, linking it up with Demonology would be the best option, since the two concepts overlap so much.

I could even see Blizzard doing something akin to MW Monks where Demonology Locks are capable of fighting in Melee range and at caster range. They would just need to find a tertiary stat that could align with Hit like Spirit does for MW Monks.

[Immitis]

no. the people who want demon hunters DO NOT want to play warlocks when will some people get this through there head?

if they wanted to play warlocks and pretend to be demon hunters they wouldnt be asking for demon hunters.

if you want to play a paladin you dont play a priest and pretend to be a paladin.

[Arthas242]

look DEMONOLOGY WAS A TANKING SPEC IN MIST alpha/beta for a short time.

they then moved to the gylph idea but nerfed it because like THE OLD FERAL SPEC it was OP being best at both.

next expansion 100% chance warlocks will have a 4th spec for tanking because of demand for warlock tanking and demon hunters because blizzard has clearly stated they would never add demon hunter class because warlock ALREADY FILL THAT ROLL.

hell maybe they will even tie it will Illidan's return and teaching the warlocks *your stupid if you think he is not with all the hints from the dev's and in game*

and honestly only reason warlocks didn't get it in mist is cause i think blizzard couldn't flesh it out in time and figure it would match up better bringing Illidan in to why we got this new power

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no. the people who want demon hunters DO NOT want to play warlocks when will some people get this through there head?

if they wanted to play warlocks and pretend to be demon hunters they wouldnt be asking for demon hunters.

if you want to play a paladin you dont play a priest and pretend to be a paladin.

you obviously do not read the warlock forums or are a warlock or a blizzard dev who said warlocks already fit the demon hunter role/style

also paladins are basically melee combat trained priest from a lore stand point as all there power is the same *this doesn't include undead because in lore they are only shadow priest*

[Teriz]

Yeah, creating a Demon Hunter class by gutting the Warlock class is a sure fire way to piss off a lot of Warlock players.

[Jessicka]

I don't think watering it down, damaging it and whatever class you wash it into is the right way to do it.

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Yeah, creating a Demon Hunter class by gutting the Warlock class is a sure fire way to piss off a lot of Warlock players.

You'd gut walocks as much shoehorning it in. We've already put up with more shit than any other class, nothing would piss me off more.

[Arthas242]

also lets be honest blizzard has tried hard to make people want to play locks this expansion since we are one of the least played classes.

add demon hunter spec + warlock = *population grows higher then that of all of paladins and DK's together*

warlock for life <3

[Teriz]

I don't think watering it down, damaging it and whatever class you wash it into is the right way to do it.

Couldn't you again just make Demonology work like MW Monks and have them be a Melee/ranged hybrid?

Example:

New Ability:

Betrayer Form: transforms into a Melee demon who is armed with twin Warglaives. Betrayer form changes various Warlock abilities into Melee abilities. Betrayer form ends when you run out of Demonic Fury.

So now, Warlocks can choose between Metamorphosis for ranged combat, and Betrayer Form for Melee combat.

Problem solved.

[Scathbais]

We all love demon hunters ...

A solution for demon hunter lovers:

Condoms lubricated with holy water is the best solution I can come up with.

[Deleted]

look DEMONOLOGY WAS A TANKING SPEC IN MIST alpha/beta for a short time.

they then moved to the gylph idea but nerfed it because like THE OLD FERAL SPEC it was OP being best at both.

next expansion 100% chance warlocks will have a 4th spec for tanking because of demand for warlock tanking and demon hunters because blizzard has clearly stated they would never add demon hunter class because warlock ALREADY FILL THAT ROLL.

hell maybe they will even tie it will Illidan's return and teaching the warlocks *your stupid if you think he is not with all the hints from the dev's and in game*

and honestly only reason warlocks didn't get it in mist is cause i think blizzard couldn't flesh it out in time and figure it would match up better bringing Illidan in to why we got this new power

IMHO making a tank out of cloth class is rather... strange/stupid, it is possible but don't see any point in doing so.
Kanrethad found a new demonic world from which he got all his fel power + perma metamorph, there are still 4 black harvest members out there somewhere so warlocks should still receive some new interesting powers.
And source please of blizzard stating they won't add DH.

no. the people who want demon hunters DO NOT want to play warlocks when will some people get this through there head?

if they wanted to play warlocks and pretend to be demon hunters they wouldnt be asking for demon hunters.

if you want to play a paladin you dont play a priest and pretend to be a paladin.

It would be a glyph, meaning its all optional and my idea assumes that blizz doesn't make DH class.

New Ability:

Betrayer Form: transforms into a Melee demon who is armed with twin Warglaives. Betrayer form changes various Warlock abilities into Melee abilities. Betrayer form ends when you run out of Demonic Fury.

So now, Warlocks can choose between Metamorphosis for ranged combat, and Betrayer Form for Melee combat.

Well my alteration of DA is a bit better because one could stay in that form all the time. Then warlock really could freely changed between melee and ranged combat + powerup metamorphosis to get increased damage and back to ranged (like meta from W3).

Everything is going towards demon hunter being a melee demonology warlock.

[Jessicka]

Couldn't you again just make Demonology work like MW Monks and have them be a Melee/ranged hybrid?

Example:

New Ability:

Betrayer Form: transforms into a Melee demon who is armed with twin Warglaives. Betrayer form changes various Warlock abilities into Melee abilities. Betrayer form ends when you run out of Demonic Fury.

So now, Warlocks can choose between Metamorphosis for ranged combat, and Betrayer Form for Melee combat.

Problem solved.

Why is it a problem? What needs fixing?

They also tried the melee/ranged hybrid in mop beta, it worked like shit so we got the 100% ranged Warlock players asked for.

Why do you even want a half arsed "fix up" instead of the real thing done properly from the ground up?

[Teriz]

Well my alteration of DA is a bit better because one could stay in that form all the time. Then warlock really could freely changed between melee and ranged combat + powerup metamorphosis to get increased damage and back to ranged (like meta from W3).

Everything is going towards demon hunter being a melee demonology warlock.

.

Yeah, having it as a replacement for DA works out fine, since DA is a bit redundant because of Meta. In either case, I believe adding a DH class when all you need to do is add another Demon form for Demonology Locks would be silly.

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Why is it a problem? What needs fixing?

They also tried the melee/ranged hybrid in mop beta, it worked like shit so we got the 100% ranged Warlock players asked for.

Why do you even want a half arsed "fix up" instead of the real thing done properly from the ground up?

The problem is you want a Demon Hunter class.

The best solution is to add a DH-like melee Demon form for Demonology locks.

[Jessicka]

I don't want a DH class. I'd just prefer it to having my favorite spec fucked with yet again.

So stop telling me what I want because you clearly have no idea.

[Skayth]

also lets be honest blizzard has tried hard to make people want to play locks this expansion since we are one of the least played classes.

add demon hunter spec + warlock = *population grows higher then that of all of paladins and DK's together*

warlock for life <3

Lets be honest, with how warlocks came out this expansion, old warlocks left, and not many new people joined. are they bottom of the list? no, that is reserved for monks since nobody wants to level 90 levels, and then rogues, and now locks. Essentially, they did not move at all. Another class simply appeared below them and rogues.

Adding Demon Hunter spec will only destroy all the lore currently in game for warlocks. Now if they retcon, not only very new and recent lore, as well as old, then yes, they could add a demon hunter spec. But as it is, Warlocks have nothing in common with demon hunters, Get that through your head. And most players dont want to be warlocks that are demon hunters.

Couldn't you again just make Demonology work like MW Monks and have them be a Melee/ranged hybrid?

Example:

New Ability:

Betrayer Form: transforms into a Melee demon who is armed with twin Warglaives. Betrayer form changes various Warlock abilities into Melee abilities. Betrayer form ends when you run out of Demonic Fury.

So now, Warlocks can choose between Metamorphosis for ranged combat, and Betrayer Form for Melee combat.

Problem solved.

=.= Your cutting out 1 other spec, minimum, by going this route. And when have you seen a demon hunter, who loses all "fury" watch their warglaives go Poof, gone. They are a physical item. Even Illidan's warglaives, He looted from a demon's corpses, after tossing his old ones aside. Not to mention, its basically 2 specs in one.

They purposefully moved Demonology to ranged. Hell, in beta, they took away hellfire, and that was our meta meta forms aoe, not immolation aura. they had given us rain of fire, a channel, instead. But warlocks were so uptight about it, that they brought back original hellfire, so we still have an aoe in melee. But hand of guldan is basically Breath of Guldan, but gave it two charges and range... with a new animation. They even took away our damage reduction recently. We cannot be in melee for long.

While it would be a sorta interesting idea, basically bear-catting melee and range, whichever is better for a fight, it will simply break pvp.

[Immitis]

look DEMONOLOGY WAS A TANKING SPEC IN MIST alpha/beta for a short time.

they then moved to the gylph idea but nerfed it because like THE OLD FERAL SPEC it was OP being best at both.

next expansion 100% chance warlocks will have a 4th spec for tanking because of demand for warlock tanking and demon hunters because blizzard has clearly stated they would never add demon hunter class because warlock ALREADY FILL THAT ROLL.

hell maybe they will even tie it will Illidan's return and teaching the warlocks *your stupid if you think he is not with all the hints from the dev's and in game*

and honestly only reason warlocks didn't get it in mist is cause i think blizzard couldn't flesh it out in time and figure it would match up better bringing Illidan in to why we got this new power

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you obviously do not read the warlock forums or are a warlock or a blizzard dev who said warlocks already fit the demon hunter role/style

also paladins are basically melee combat trained priest from a lore stand point as all there power is the same *this doesn't include undead because in lore they are only shadow priest*

your post is filled with lies. never has blizzard "cleary stated" that warlocks filled the demon hunter role, ghostcrawler asked what would set them apart from rogues death knights hunters and warlocks, i dont know about you but including classes like rogues death knights and hunters does not equate to "WARLOCKS ARE DEMON HUNTERS"

and the glyph WAS NOT a tanking glyph it was never meant to make warlocks tanks even in beta it was meant to give warlocks some survivability not make them tanks, SOME warlocks were able to tank some of the 4.3 5 mans and thats because those 5 mans were ridiculously easy at that point, guess what alot of classes that arent tanks can "tank" the mists dungeons in raid gear does that make a rogue a tank? no it doesnt.

SOME warlocks want a tanking spec, that in no way requires them to become pseudo demon hunters.

[nightfalls]

Lets be honest, with how warlocks came out this expansion, old warlocks left, and not many new people joined. are they bottom of the list? no, that is reserved for monks since nobody wants to level 90 levels, and then rogues, and now locks. Essentially, they did not move at all. Another class simply appeared below them and rogues.

I'm really wondering (no sarcasm), is the current warlock population primarily driven by people liking the class or by people seeing the class as "performing well" (or to put it blunt, people thinking it is "OP").

[Deleted]

Lets be honest, with how warlocks came out this expansion, old warlocks left, and not many new people joined. are they bottom of the list? no, that is reserved for monks since nobody wants to level 90 levels, and then rogues, and now locks. Essentially, they did not move at all. Another class simply appeared below them and rogues.

Adding Demon Hunter spec will only destroy all the lore currently in game for warlocks. Now if they retcon, not only very new and recent lore, as well as old, then yes, they could add a demon hunter spec. But as it is, Warlocks have nothing in common with demon hunters, Get that through your head. And most players dont want to be warlocks that are demon hunters.



=.= Your cutting out 1 other spec, minimum, by going this route. And when have you seen a demon hunter, who loses all "fury" watch their warglaives go Poof, gone. They are a physical item. Even Illidan's warglaives, He looted from a demon's corpses, after tossing his old ones aside. Not to mention, its basically 2 specs in one.

They purposefully moved Demonology to ranged. Hell, in beta, they took away hellfire, and that was our meta meta forms aoe, not immolation aura. they had given us rain of fire, a channel, instead. But warlocks were so uptight about it, that they brought back original hellfire, so we still have an aoe in melee. But hand of guldan is basically Breath of Guldan, but gave it two charges and range... with a new animation. They even took away our damage reduction recently. We cannot be in melee for long.

While it would be a sorta interesting idea, basically bear-catting melee and range, whichever is better for a fight, it will simply break pvp.

It will destroy nothing from the lore. Make it a glyph so its OPTIONAL, and to get the glyph make a questline...
Warlocks have tons in common with DHs (metamorph, dealing with demonic energy, interest in Illidan, immolation aura).
Blizz made green fire, those warlock who wanted it just did the quest line - my idea would work similarly, if you don't want it - just don't get it and no one touches your class, all ability changes are restricted to DA form.

=.= Your cutting out 1 other spec, minimum, by going this route. And when have you seen a demon hunter, who loses all "fury" watch their warglaives go Poof, gone. They are a physical item. Even Illidan's warglaives, He looted from a demon's corpses, after tossing his old ones aside. Not to mention, its basically 2 specs in one.

we play the game in which you can with a sword under water..., where pandas and cows talk and we have titans and old gods and you throw this idea off because its not real if glaives just disappear...

[Teriz]

=.= Your cutting out 1 other spec, minimum, by going this route. And when have you seen a demon hunter, who loses all "fury" watch their warglaives go Poof, gone. They are a physical item. Even Illidan's warglaives, He looted from a demon's corpses, after tossing his old ones aside. Not to mention, its basically 2 specs in one.

They purposefully moved Demonology to ranged. Hell, in beta, they took away hellfire, and that was our meta meta forms aoe, not immolation aura. they had given us rain of fire, a channel, instead. But warlocks were so uptight about it, that they brought back original hellfire, so we still have an aoe in melee. But hand of guldan is basically Breath of Guldan, but gave it two charges and range... with a new animation. They even took away our damage reduction recently. We cannot be in melee for long.

While it would be a sorta interesting idea, basically bear-catting melee and range, whichever is better for a fight, it will simply break pvp.

It would be just like the Shivarras with their six swords.

And it wouldn't be like bear/catting Melee range because this form would also be DPS-based.

[Netherspark]

I don't get why people keep suggesting this; Metamorphosis is NOT the only part of being a Demon Hunter.

[Jessicka]

I'm really wondering (no sarcasm), is the current warlock population primarily driven by people liking the class or by people seeing the class as "performing well" (or to put it blunt, people thinking it is "OP").

There's no doubt in my mind that GCs jury would have reached a verdict of 'failure' for the Warlock overhaul, were we not performing well. I think the overperformance is something that's tempered the loss and allowed people put up with and get used to the changes more than it's brought people in though. No surprise then that they ruled out any such changes for Rogues and Hunters.

So again. If you want Demon Hunters, fine, but NOT IN MY CLASS.