Perfect RNG sub rogue opening 6.2.3

[Seaintothesky]

Can someone describe second by second perfect RNG rogue may have on mythic reaver or zakuun
for first 20-30 seconds?

Like when second capacitor should procc on pull and max number of ambushes
u can pull or fit into the opening burst. And if a dreamRNG opening requires from u to
cancel capacitor? Any details i appreciate!

Assuming u have 795 ring and 735 capacitor and playing blood elf.

I just need the whole idea of best opening i could have so when its happens to me
i can say *THIS IS IT - COMING *. Iam just new to rogue-class and i dont understand it yet
and where i need to aim. Or u can link me a log where u thought u had it all at pull )

[Deleted]

Well basically the dream would be back to back soul kappa procs-> cancel second proc right before ring explodes and instantly getting a 3rd proc at that same time (before ring actually explodes). Other than that basic opener.

-E- Also the amount of ambushes you can fit in is 9 I believe. 7 from shadow dance and 2 with prep+vanish

[Deleted]

All you need to get rank 1 on those bosses right now is not to be shit, have same killtime as them and get 2 capa procs on pull. Thats it. You get 2, you are rank 1. Not a rocket science. Dont look at top logs, dont think too much what to do in the opener, those things dont matter. You will fit in the 7 ambushes and 2 finishers rule without trying and rest is in the hands of whatever god you worship.

Well basically the dream would be back to back soul kappa procs-> cancel second proc right before ring explodes and instantly getting a 3rd proc at that same time (before ring actually explodes).

gl mayt

doubt its even possible though, would guess kappa has 10s icd on proc

[InfinityRogue]

All you need to get rank 1 on those bosses right now is not to be shit, have same killtime as them and get 2 capa procs on pull. Thats it. You get 2, you are rank 1. Not a rocket science. Dont look at top logs, dont think too much what to do in the opener, those things dont matter. You will fit in the 7 ambushes and 2 finishers rule without trying and rest is in the hands of whatever god you worship.

gl mayt

doubt its even possible though, would guess kappa has 10s icd on proc

Thank you for that enlightening and totally inaccurate answer. Soul has no ICD and can proc back to back to back. It has a CHANCE to proc on each swing and like any chance proc, the longer you go without a proc the greater chance you have of proccing on pull.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8197741003

This stems from this in game system that was enabled in MOP, although I am not sure if it exists in the game exactly as it was then, it is still fairly close to that model.

Once the guaranteed proc on pull happens, the trinket enters into its RPPM mode and will increase its chance to proc as more time passes without it proccing. This can lead to back to back to back trinket procs or minutes without a proc.

What Buzuzuki said about the dream opener is pretty accurate. After that you would pretty much want 100% uptime on it until the very end.

[Deleted]

Soul has no ICD

Do you play the game or you just like talking about it? Lots of RPPM trinkets have 10s ICD to prevent wasting procs and also 10s ICD upon equipping. And Im kinda sure about Capacitor having on equip one.

Rest of your post is basically generic bullshit where you said nothing we dont know already and ended it with saying the same thing as I did. With 1 difference and that is I know you dont need 3rd proc to get dream opener because the boss is a) dead or b) your not doing any relevant damage in 20-30s window.

Now be useful and go get us odds of having ur "pretty accurate" opener assuming it even works that way.

[Krekal]

Can confirm the capacitor can proc back to back, happened 3 times in a row on my rogue.

[Deleted]

Can some more people confirm if it can proc back to back please?

[Kalador]

hi, it can proc back to back... also LOL.

[Deleted]

Rest of your post is basically generic bullshit where you said nothing we dont know already and ended it with saying the same thing as I did. With 1 difference and that is I know you dont need 3rd proc to get dream opener because the boss is a) dead or b) your not doing any relevant damage in 20-30s window.

Now be useful and go get us odds of having ur "pretty accurate" opener assuming it even works that way.

Ok calm down first of all. I wasn't 100% sure if soul cappa can proc back to back if canceled early (can definitely proc if not canceled). The concept of the 3 proc dream is to get the ring explosion into the soul cap for more burst, not about the damage you deal outside the opener.

[Nastynelbur]

Dude, I'm laughing so hard at your angsty forum rage. I usually don't stoop to this level, but I think it's you who just enjoys blabbing. Have you used the trinket on any character, at all? It can, and WILL, proc back to back in some cases. There. So much for your certainty on the ICD. That nullifies all of your credibility. I hear the Hunter forums need moar trollz. /shoo

He obviously said it can proc back to back lol, he said the ideal is that you get a second soul cap proc on pull. Also, everyone knows that it can. He meant that if you cancel your soul cap proc, it won't proc again until at least 10s after the initial proc. It's honestly possible for that to be the case, I just don't know because I've never made sure that it could or not.

Also, if you do get a second soul cap proc on pull, don't cancel it just because you think you might get a third proc before the ring explodes. That's just stupid as hell.

[Deleted]

It can proc back to back (right after expiring).

But that is not what he is talking about. He says it can't proc for 10s from the moment it procced even when instantly cancelled.

[Narokath]

It doesn't have an ICD. You can quite literally cancelaura the proc and have it proc immediately again, negating the idea that there is some 10 second cooldown to prevent overlap. It's more likely that there is an embedded failsafe in the code that prevents the trinket from overlapping but it is not a cooldown.

In regards to the perfect opener. A lot of factors, the biggest one is having Maalus absorb into a Soul Capacitor; when this happens, you're going to spike quite dramatically because not only do you get a Capacitor during your second Vanish, but it also buffs the Maalus explosion by a further ~35-41% extra damage.

The second factor is timing, in my experience the Slice and Dice energy proc seems to be some type of system timing which can't be tracked before the first tick (at least I am unaware of), so there is a better chance of squeezing in those GCD's within Shadow Dance. Also Soul Cap may not proc immediately on the pull and be delayed slightly which can also affect your output.

[Seaintothesky]

Ok, so to sum things up, for MAX possible burst for lets say first 30 seconds u need
the following (and tell me if i am right):
By the way i am using t4+t15+trinket from iron docks for 2k mastery to make SnD 27sec duration
and 85% increase melee haste.

by seconds -
1s - u already prepoted and did opening macro with rapture and pressed ring
1s-1.5s - capacitor proc (watched many logs and it does proc on between 1-2 first sec window of combat)
1.5s-11.5s - u do 7 ambushes + couple of evicirates in capacitor.
11.5- capacitor explodes into the ring
12s - second capacitor proc, and we have 3 sec til ring explodes, so we press 5min-cd prep+ vanish
and do 2 more ambushes til 15 sec, when ring explodes.

at this moment i mess up, when third capacitor comes in? if we have second cap
proc on 11-12 sec window and ring explode at 15 sec. So only 3 sec of active second
capacitor and he eats all ring damage and spit it out at 21-22sec of fight.
So when cancelaura capacitor comes in here?
So if we have third capacitor proc on 22 sec of fight we dont have no bursts at all

[InfinityRogue]

Ok, so to sum things up, for MAX possible burst for lets say first 30 seconds u need
the following (and tell me if i am right):
By the way i am using t4+t15+trinket from iron docks for 2k mastery to make SnD 27sec duration
and 85% increase melee haste.

by seconds -
1s - u already prepoted and did opening macro with rapture and pressed ring
1s-1.5s - capacitor proc (watched many logs and it does proc on between 1-2 first sec window of combat)
1.5s-11.5s - u do 7 ambushes + couple of evicirates in capacitor.
11.5- capacitor explodes into the ring
12s - second capacitor proc, and we have 3 sec til ring explodes, so we press 5min-cd prep+ vanish
and do 2 more ambushes til 15 sec, when ring explodes.

at this moment i mess up, when third capacitor comes in? if we have second cap
proc on 11-12 sec window and ring explode at 15 sec. So only 3 sec of active second
capacitor and he eats all ring damage and spit it out at 21-22sec of fight.
So when cancelaura capacitor comes in here?
So if we have third capacitor proc on 22 sec of fight we dont have no bursts at all

Couple of quick corrections, although your ideal opener is pretty close it is missing a few key things. The second Soul Capacitor comes in the second the first ends at around 11 seconds into the fight. For four more seconds you ambush spam and build damage into your second Soul Cap and Maalus. You cancel the Soul Cap about .5-1 second before Maalus explodes, which placed all of your active damage into the Maalus. As Maalus explodes, a third Soul Capacitor procs and eats all of the damage from Maalus and rolls it into Soul Capacitors multipliers.

The fight would then continue as normal and you have achieved the perfect opener.

[Nastynelbur]

Please for the love of god don't do what the poster above me is advising. It's highly unlikely to get that third soul cap proc, you're lucky to even get the second one. Just hold onto the second one and let the ring explode within it.

Find me a single rank one log wherein there's a second soul cap proc on pull, it gets cancelled, and then there's a third proc before the ring explodes, and I will revise what I've said. (hint: there aren't any)

[overdose]

Please for the love of god don't do what the poster above me is advising. It's highly unlikely to get that third soul cap proc, you're lucky to even get the second one. Just hold onto the second one and let the ring explode within it.

Find me a single rank one log wherein there's a second soul cap proc on pull, it gets cancelled, and then there's a third proc before the ring explodes, and I will revise what I've said. (hint: there aren't any)

What he is saying will net higher dps.

[Nastynelbur]

Generally speaking, no, going for that will not net higher dps.

[Deleted]

So I just checked grand total of 2966 explosions from last 2 months and there is exactly zero procs occuring less than 10s after the previous one. Majority of those are regular procs but there should be sufficient amount of canceled ones. So for now I am sticking with my original guess - it will not work.

Your turn, have fun.

[overdose]

Generally speaking, no, going for that will not net higher dps.

He is looking for a best case scenario not a best overall average. All else remaining the same, a spirit shift that procs right before a ring pops will probably be higher dps than a spirit shift that proc'd 5 seconds before a ring pop.

[Tradu]

Dude, I'm laughing so hard at your angsty forum rage. I usually don't stoop to this level, but I think it's you who just enjoys blabbing. Have you used the trinket on any character, at all? It can, and WILL, proc back to back in some cases. There. So much for your certainty on the ICD. That nullifies all of your credibility. I hear the Hunter forums need moar trollz. /shoo

Infracted.

It definitely has an ICD, you may just not have noticed it because it's very slightly over 10 seconds(meaning it can't overwrite itself). What can't happen is cancelling a 5 sec duration Soul Shift and then getting a new proc right after cancelling(like what #2 suggested). If it didn't have an ICD, delaying the proc like ferals do would not be possible.