Are the Void and the Burning Legion allies?

[Elfezen]

In the latest raid we can clearly see that the burning legion was freely using the Void's forces against us together with the demonic ones, does this mean that they are allies now or the Void is neutral and helps any side if it benefits from it?

[Deleted]

The Legion doesn't ask nicely, they enslave them like warlocks do.

[Elfezen]

The Legion doesn't ask nicely, they enslave them like warlocks do.

But isn't the Void a lot stronger than the Burning Legion according to the new lore? They could wipe them out if they wanted to

[shimerra]

But isn't the Void a lot stronger than the Burning Legion according to the new lore? They could wipe them out if they wanted to

Are imps a part of the burning legion? Are they unstoppable destroyers of worlds? The truly powerful void-beings from what we're told are locked in the void with limited access to our world.

[The Stormbringer]

The Void Lords are the enemies of all creation and existence, something that the Legion (Sargeras in particular) are against taking over. That said, elements of the Void (lesser things like Voidspawn and Voidwalkers) can be their own agents, thus why you see them with the Legion at times or summoned by warlocks. It seems like some can be twisted with the Fel and corrupted or changed, or maybe deals can be made. It's not entirely clear.

[Deleted]

But isn't the Void a lot stronger than the Burning Legion according to the new lore? They could wipe them out if they wanted to

I don't think they are.

The only way for the Void to win is to corrupt Azeroth (or other nascent Titan souls). But Azeroth is the important one, because its soul is said to eventually grow into a Titan stronger than Sargeras (who is the strongest Titan ever atm).

However the Void Lords can't even properly manifest in the universe except for a few moments.

And Void Walkers etc are nothing but cannon fodder.

Now (this is my headcanon) I think the universe is ultimately superior to either Light or Void, because it's made up of both. Kinda like in Diablo, the Nephalem are stronger than either Angels or Demons, because they're both.

[Roamingstorm]

Not really. Sarg ended up finding out about the void and the fact that it seemed that it was pointless to constantly battle demons so flipped the crazy switch and had the logic of "well I'm tired of everything being corrupt so I'm going to kill all the things in the universe to prevent everything being corrupt and evil".

In a nutshell he's wanting to wipe out everything to prevent the void lords from taking over everything...Cause...Yeah...Cosmic being logic...Least that's what I get from the lore. Like those super villains who want to blow up the world, but fail to realize they live on it. In a nutshell he's doing it for a "good" reason, but in all the horribly wrong ways.

[gcsmith]

I don't think they are.

The only way for the Void to win is to corrupt Azeroth (or other nascent Titan souls). But Azeroth is the important one, because its soul is said to eventually grow into a Titan stronger than Sargeras (who is the strongest Titan ever atm).

However the Void Lords can't even properly manifest in the universe except for a few moments.

And Void Walkers etc are nothing but cannon fodder.

Now (this is my headcanon) I think the universe is ultimately superior to either Light or Void, because it's made up of both. Kinda like in Diablo, the Nephalem are stronger than either Angels or Demons, because they're both.

Aren't void walkers just really badly named? They're demons, not void entities.

[Deleted]

Aren't void walkers just really badly named? They're demons, not void entities.

Nah they are not actual demons, they are void entities.

You're probably thinking of Void Hounds (which are demons) and badly named.

[Deleted]

Aren't void walkers just really badly named? They're demons, not void entities.

No, they're classified as Aberrations.

[WhiteEagle888]

I wouldn't call it an alliance, much more a common goal to extinguish all life in the physical universe. The Void created the Legion by turning Sargeras against his fellow Titans. Both the Legion and the Void, and even the Scourge thrive on Chaos and Decay.
- You have to take into account that demons, aberrations and undead have a different mindset than the mortal races of Azeroth - if everything in the physical universe was destroyed, they would most likely turn on each other as well - Just as all the lich kings try to destroy the Legion even nowadays.

So to sum it up: Hate controls every action of the Void, Legion and Scourge - they first focus this hate towards mortals because Life in the Great Dark Beyond is their most immediate enemy. Once life was extinguished in the physical plane, these evil groups would turn on each other in a heartbeat.

[Raetary]

But isn't the Void a lot stronger than the Burning Legion according to the new lore? They could wipe them out if they wanted to

if our playable warlocks can enslave voidwalkers than it shouldnt be a problem for them.

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Aren't void walkers just really badly named? They're demons, not void entities.

nope, they are void entities.
warlocks enslave them because they are pretty handy, they dont fear pain.

[WhiteEagle888]

Oh and on voidwalkers: The line between demon and aberration is very narrow - aberrations are creatures tainted with void, demons are creatures tainted with fel, shadowy and chaotic energies respectively - but both malevolent and evil.
One explanation for voidwalkers being demons could be, that the ones enslaved by the Legion or summoned by warlocks are tainted by fel energies and no longer fully considered void creatures.

On a side note: In Dnd there are three different pacts for warlocks:
1) Infernal Pact: made with demons and devils
2) Star Pact: made with elder evils and aberrations
3) Fey Pact: made with fey creatures like fairies, dryads and sylphs

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Warlock

[leigonlord]

I wouldn't call it an alliance, much more a common goal to extinguish all life in the physical universe. The Void created the Legion by turning Sargeras against his fellow Titans. Both the Legion and the Void, and even the Scourge thrive on Chaos and Decay.
- You have to take into account that demons, aberrations and undead have a different mindset than the mortal races of Azeroth - if everything in the physical universe was destroyed, they would most likely turn on each other as well - Just as all the lich kings try to destroy the Legion even nowadays.

So to sum it up: Hate controls every action of the Void, Legion and Scourge - they first focus this hate towards mortals because Life in the Great Dark Beyond is their most immediate enemy. Once life was extinguished in the physical plane, these evil groups would turn on each other in a heartbeat.

isnt sargeras goal to destroy the universe so that the void lords cant take control of it?

[WhiteEagle888]

isnt sargeras goal to destroy the universe so that the void lords cant take control of it?

Yes that is also true - Sargeras is however already mad - the very nature of chaos manifested in Sargeras and his madness.
The Void Lords incited Sargeras against everything - even themselves, in an attempt to use his unbridled rage for extinguishing all life in the physical universe, since the Void Lords themselves would require too great an amount of energy to reach the physical universe themselves.

These void entities are constantly scheming and manipulating everything around them to further their own agenda. Think Sith Lords in Star Wars for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Oy6DwHAi70

[gcsmith]

No, they're classified as Aberrations.

Considered demons by my paladin skills

[leigonlord]

Yes that is also true - Sargeras is however already mad - the very nature of chaos manifested in Sargeras and his madness.
The Void Lords incited Sargeras against everything - even themselves, in an attempt to use his unbridled rage for extinguishing all life in the physical universe, since the Void Lords themselves would require too great an amount of energy to reach the physical universe themselves.

These void entities are constantly scheming and manipulating everything around them to further their own agenda. Think Sith Lords in Star Wars for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Oy6DwHAi70

but dont the void lords want to possess a baby titan so they can invade the universe? making sargeras destroy baby titans doesnt help that. i havent read chronicle myself but from what ive heard the void lords didnt make sargeras crazy. feel free to prove me wrong with a quote.

[XangXu]

You assume that the Void and its denizens would have the same petty goals as the Legion.

[WhiteEagle888]

but dont the void lords want to possess a baby titan so they can invade the universe? making sargeras destroy baby titans doesnt help that. i havent read chronicle myself but from what ive heard the void lords didnt make sargeras crazy. feel free to prove me wrong with a quote.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/305986586...ol-Unknown-pdf

This is an online source wherein it is explained how Sargeras broke away from the Pantheon. It is the best online quality yet (page 24)

Although it is not stated here that Sargeras had been directly influenced by the Void, later, as Sargeras drifted further and further away from the Pantheon, madness had taken hold over him, making him susceptible to Void influence.

On the note of destroying baby titans: The Void Lords most likely work on Sargeras to be their fully possessed titan already - hence they don't really care if Sargeras destroys baby titans as long as it furthers Sargeras' insanity. This is my own reasoning but the Void probably want Sargeras to become wholly insane so they can control him, because they still can not control him and his Legion fully yet. The Void can not directly influence Sargeras' actions yet either, so they also can not stop him from destroying baby titans directly.

Also stated here that demons are born from the amalgamation of Light and Void - this makes me wonder why demons are even evil in warcraft lore. If they are born from Light and Void they should be neutral to begin with - that would be my question why demons are hostile towards all life if they are partly made from light already.

The only reason I can think of is that the Twisting Nether is inherently chaotic. Perhaps this chaotic nature is what makes demons evil.

[Raetary]

Considered demons by my paladin skills

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=10326/turn-evil
"The power of the Light compels an Undead, Aberration, or Demon target to flee, disorienting them for up to 40 sec. Only one target can be turned at a time."