Do you agree or do you agree ?
P.S. Well maybe excepting Wrathion
Do you agree or do you agree ?
P.S. Well maybe excepting Wrathion
Taylor and Nazgrim were good characters?
lmao what? Taylor was a pointless character that did absolutely nothing but get pwnd. Irrelevant character. No way you can compare them to Khadgar and Guldan. Nazgrim at least did quite a couple meaningful things before becoming a boss and also becoming a dk soon. meanwhile taylor died in the worst expansion and became a garrison feature ROFL.
Well Gul'dan certainly is a more interesting and more dangerous villain than Garrosh ever was.
I don't like Khadgar. He waltzes through the portal after years of only being a cameo in TBc and we're all suddenly meant to follow him as the United leader of everything? Fuck him.
Gul'Dan, except for being AU and all that time travel dimensional WOD shit, is a proper baddie. The kind That is both recognisable and clearly out for power. No trying to justify what he does, Gul'Dan is a powerful Warlock and Legion big-shot now. Can't wait to take him down.
You clearly play Horde. Admiral Taylor, just like Nazgrim, had been along for the ride since the Vashj'ir storyline. And strictly speaking, Nazgrim did nothing but get pwned as well. Until WOD, NPC's were essentially just set pieces for our characters to trod on.
To be fair, that's because WoW doesn't do a good job of explaining exactly how powerful a Mage he is, or why he's important. Khadgar is essentially the caster equivalent of Alleria or Turalyon; a famous veteran of the Second War who went missing. We just got lucky and found him in Outland. I'm not exactly sure why they decided to bring him back in WoD - probably WC2 fanservice, just like most of the rest of the expac - but he makes sense as an important character in Legion.
They were certainly compelling characters compared to the rest of WoW's NPC population. Plus there's a bit of nostalgia going on. They'd been at our sides since the start of Cataclysm. And when they died, we cried.
I enjoy Khadgar because he's a bit of a goof. He's got a sense of humor about him that is often woefully lacking in powerful casters. Plus I figure if I tag along long enough he'll let me read all the books in Karazhan :P
Gul'dan I just hate. I mean he's a compelling character in the sense that he's actually an effective villain unlike most of the bumbling morons out there. (Archimonde: steps through the portal. Gets stabbed in the junk. Dies.) But at the same time he's evil and I won't be satisfied until I've stabbed him until loot comes out.
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Cheerful lack of self-preservation
I agree Gul'dan and Khadgar are great characters. Can't say the same for Nazgrim and Taylor. They were generic Horde/Alliance characters, who managed to get somewhat more important roles. I didn't even remember Nazgrim from Vashj'ir till something was said about it. His attitude towards the Alliance was that of a generic Horde grunt's and even after he came to realize how much Garrosh sucked he still kept his loyalty to him. I can't respect that, when it's clear you're working for orc-Stalin and the actual good guys come to you with a mission to free your beloved Horde from his tyranny. I don't hate Nazgrim, but he's was such a tool that I didn't care about him or felt anything when we killed him. Raising him as one of the Horsemen is irrelevant to me, though I find the concept of a team of super-DKs stupid.
Taylor's garrison stuff was intriguing, but having him as a ghostly garrison follower really diminished the tragedy.
Now you see it. Now you don't.
But was where Dalaran?
Admiral Taylor was an interesting character that was killed solely to silence whiners calling for his death to "even the scales" after Nazgrim's death. The worst part about his death was that it was a pointless death, in a quest that lead to nowhere by some random unknown enemy.
OT: yes, i absolutely love both.
and i love how they turned AU gul'dan from random gul'dan 2.0 to a proper villain.
Formerly known as Arafal
AU Gul'dan has been written properly, with appropriate fleshing out. He's the kind of writing they've needed for a villain since Deathwing, IMO.
Khadgar is someone I can get behind, he seems to have weaknesses to his personality which is refreshing, such as his willingness to execute "horribly dangerous" plans on the regular.
"Khadgar and AU Gul'Dan are the best characters we've gotten since Taylor and Nazgrim "
But Khadgar has been around since WC2.
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Gul'dan is a fun creepy moustache-twirling villain. I enjoy him quite a bit. I'm rather indifferent to Khadgar, though. He doesn't really have any defining character traits that I can think of, other than maybe being a bit quirky sometimes.
Definitely some of the best characters written in WoW itself, obviously they've both been in lore for a long time but they're new depictions of the characters, Khadgar in particular has had a bit of a personality revamp. Hopefully they'll be able to fill the void that Gul'dan will leave behind once we're done with him in Nighthold.
I really hate how they killed off Taylor like he was some random npc just to satisfy the haters.
While Nazgrim doesn't even stay dead. Dks raise him from the death to become one of the four horsemen..
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead