I am surprised how quickly Mythic Xavius goes down...

[TITAN308]

...as long as the mechanics are done.

I'm in a Heroic only guild, however another guild our GM knows asked for a DPS to fill in a 20th spot they were short on for the night so I got volunteered. They had finally cleared Cenerius and this was their first time going after Xavius.

Needless to say I was expecting a train wreck.

Long story short I was a bit of a nervous mess listening to them going over it. I didn't want to be the nublet who screwed everything up as the guest in their raid.

After two quick wipes where designated people missed dreams, on the third time we basically bulldozed through and I even managed to live till the end. While I did spike to the top of the meters for the first 85% or so @ 980k'ish (that is what Ret Paladins do lmao) I slowly dropped to the lower end of the pack at around 400k sustained. I guess its not all bad consider the caliber of sustained damage going out. I was basically a minor league player getting thrown in with the big league boys and girls.

So how hard are the rest of the bosses in M-EN? I don't suspect our guild will ever go that path (we don't field a roster big enough nor want to) but it does perk my curiosity.

[Divinexve]

But mythic is the only reason I exist

[TITAN308]

But mythic is the only reason I exist

Is it true that M-Cen is like a crap ton harder than M-Xav?

[Divinexve]

Is it true that M-Cen is like a crap ton harder than M-Xav?

For sure. Although my guild had the most trouble on M Ilg than M Cen

[Zulandia]

He's one of the easier bosses in the instance for sure. Cenarius and Ilg are the 'challenging' bosses in EN by a pretty wide margin though the whole instance is one of the easier raids lately for sure...which is fine since it was a half tier prep raid but that's outside the scope of this thread.

[Woobels]

Is it true that M-Cen is like a crap ton harder than M-Xav?

Their not even comparable in difficulty.

M-Xavius in the same tier as Dragons, maybe even lower.

[Sae]

Cenarius is the true final boss of mythic EN. Xavius is just a victory lap.

In terms of difficulty from easiest to hardest, in my opinion as someone who's 7/7m 2/3m:

Dragons > Xavius > Elerethe = Nythendra = Ursoc > Il'gynoth > Cenarius

[Nitros14]

Cenarius used to be a lot harder than he is now with AP and gear being what it is. You can gearblast Cenarius so that the difficult parts don't happen now.

Nythendra is way easier than Dragons on an absolute level. Maybe now since mechanics still somewhat matter on Nythendra but back in ilvl 860 Nythendra died in 18 pulls for us while dragons took 50 in 863.

[Deleted]

So how hard are the rest of the bosses in M-EN? I don't suspect our guild will ever go that path (we don't field a roster big enough nor want to) but it does perk my curiosity.

I'll put it to you this way: My guild had more wipes on Mythic Nythendra than on Mythic Xavius. Almost the same number of Heroic Nythendra wipes than M Xavius wipes (all before first kill, of course, and the Heroic Nyth wipes were on week 1 after a long no-raiding period).

The only hard aspect of the Xavius fight which is the randomness of the Dream is removed in Mythic, which makes it extremely predictable. The easiest fight in EN by far, stupidly simple mechanics, no damage checks, very forgiving mechanics.

Not saying this to say you're bad or something, not at all, it's still impressive going into a fight you don't know with a guild you don't know and do well, even more so for someone not used to this level at all. But Mythic Xavius is not a good indicator of how hard Mythic bosses are, not even close. A lot of Heroic bosses from WoD are harder than Mythic Xavius, just like the entire ToV Heroic. The real "end boss" of EN Mythic was Cenarius, and even that got easy if your raid wasn't undergeared for the content (first 2-3 weeks of raiding, that is).

[Malynd]

Il'gynoth is the only fight that still gives my guild any "difficulty" in EN at this point. It's just very long and tedious with very little room for error on killing the blobs.

With more and more gear, even Cenarius is a cakewalk with the burn strategy. We were able to push him in two add phases with five healers the past few weeks.

The only thing that really kills you on Xavius is having someone miss their dream beam. The first kill was pretty anticlimactic after such a rough time on Cenarius.

[Sierra85]

haven't raided mythic EN yet, but it is at the stage now where legendaries & titanforged and stuff, the fights should be pretty cake walky.

[TITAN308]

A buddy of mine said, "Well, now when people see Xavius as your only kill in Mythic they will just assume you bought it for Cutting Edge achievement".

LOL - he is probably right.

[Advo]

Cenarius is the true final boss of mythic EN. Xavius is just a victory lap.

In terms of difficulty from easiest to hardest, in my opinion as someone who's 7/7m 2/3m:

Dragons > Xavius > Elerethe = Nythendra = Ursoc > Il'gynoth > Cenarius

I really have trouble understanding how you put nyth in the middle there. At least the other encounters have actual mechanics.

Nyth -> Dragons -> Ursoc = Elerethe -> Xavius -> Il'gynoth -> Cenarius

[Nikkaszal]

I would probably put Ilgynoth as higher than Cenarius, tbh. It's the only fight left that doesn't become SIGNIFICANTLY more simple by throwing gear at it, because you are forced to follow the pacing of the blob mechanics and there is no possibility of skipping phases by brute-forcing with hard DPS.

[Ulfric Trumpcloak]

Is it true that M-Cen is like a crap ton harder than M-Xav?

Both the eye and Cenarius are a lot harder than Xavius. Most guild take at least 2 weeks to down those 2, Xavius take 90 mins tops.

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I'll put it to you this way: My guild had more wipes on Mythic Nythendra than on Mythic Xavius. Almost the same number of Heroic Nythendra wipes than M Xavius wipes (all before first kill, of course, and the Heroic Nyth wipes were on week 1 after a long no-raiding period).

The only hard aspect of the Xavius fight which is the randomness of the Dream is removed in Mythic, which makes it extremely predictable. The easiest fight in EN by far, stupidly simple mechanics, no damage checks, very forgiving mechanics.

Not saying this to say you're bad or something, not at all, it's still impressive going into a fight you don't know with a guild you don't know and do well, even more so for someone not used to this level at all. But Mythic Xavius is not a good indicator of how hard Mythic bosses are, not even close. A lot of Heroic bosses from WoD are harder than Mythic Xavius, just like the entire ToV Heroic. The real "end boss" of EN Mythic was Cenarius, and even that got easy if your raid wasn't undergeared for the content (first 2-3 weeks of raiding, that is).

Cenarius is the true final boss of mythic EN. Xavius is just a victory lap.

In terms of difficulty from easiest to hardest, in my opinion as someone who's 7/7m 2/3m:

Dragons > Xavius > Elerethe = Nythendra = Ursoc > Il'gynoth > Cenarius

Thers nothing difficult about Nythendra, even pugs were downing her the moment mythic opened. Xavius is definitely the 2nd easiest boss there after Nythendra. I guess everybody has their own opinion though.

[Sae]

I really have trouble understanding how you put nyth in the middle there. At least the other encounters have actual mechanics.

Nyth -> Dragons -> Ursoc = Elerethe -> Xavius -> Il'gynoth -> Cenarius

The first five in my list are pretty close in difficulty. Nyth isn't a hard fight at all, but I'd consider Dragons and Xavius to both be easier because they're almost completely identical to their heroic versions. Nyth's MC mechanic, while not at all difficult to deal with, actually makes communication necessary.

[Gemini Soul]

Reminds me of Dragon Soul back in cata, Spine on heroic was a major PITA but once you killed it and got to madness...madness was a cake walk, we 1 shot it.

[Socialhealer]

mythic raiding atm is helya, and 9 piles of trash, sadly those 9 piles of trash will be dropping more upgrades for your raid, while helya will give you repair bills, so effort vs reward, never do mythic helya and titanforge your way to 895's and 925's in 7.1.5, to make nighthold easier.

[Wycked]

Mythic xavius is about as difficult as mythic renferal...Dmg requirement a bit higher but mechanically speaking he's pretty easy.

[rogoth]

it really comes down to how over geared your raid team is, if you try to do the fights in appropriate gear levels, the difficulty curve will look something like this:

elerethe>ursoc>=dragons>xavius>nythendra>il'gynoth>cenarius

i rate nythendra higher in difficulty because due to how the rot debuff works in mythic, and the random nature of it and having a big influence on how you do the fight based on your team comp, it will always remain a challenging encounter week after week even when considered "farm" status, but can be brute forced once geared enough.

cenarius is the hardest fight mechanically due to the various changes on mythic coupled with the personal responsibility of the ranged players to manage vines correctly while always making sure to soak them up when required.