resto worst healer atm?

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can only do 400k hps heroic botanist and other heals go over 500k, are we bad or only usable in 30man raid <.<

[tanksin the enhance shamy]

whats your gear? whats your talent spec, are you healing the lowest health players? are you tank healing or raid healing?

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34 traits, 883ilvl, 1-2-1-1-3-3-3, was a 2-3-9 raid with holy priest and resto druid

[Moneyshott]

Did you check overhealing? 400hps in a 14man sounds pretty good if it's all effective heals. Druids overheal a lot with their HoTs ticking on everything.
Did you have riptide off cd the whole time and healing stream up at all times? Remember the HoT ticks for 17 seconds.

I'd check the effective healing and total healing instead of raw HPS. Druids cheat and they know it.

[Deleted]

Did you check overhealing? 400hps in a 14man sounds pretty good if it's all effective heals. Druids overheal a lot with their HoTs ticking on everything.
Did you have riptide off cd the whole time and healing stream up at all times? Remember the HoT ticks for 17 seconds.

I'd check the effective healing and total healing instead of raw HPS. Druids cheat and they know it.

both other had 30-40% overheal and i like 10%, is overheal really hps in skada? dont think so

[ItsTiddles]

We're a little held back when you have a group that small, but there are logs of smaller groups (around 15m) that have shamans pulling over 500k hps. Hell, I was just shy of 400k in heroic Botanist with a 10m group. If can really depend on your group and setup (talents, stats, play style). Statistically speaking (it's the first week and theres lots of cheese, I know), we're the lowest healer on Botanist, but it's the only fight we're currently in last place for.

[Manofmystery]

both other had 30-40% overheal and i like 10%, is overheal really hps in skada? dont think so

Skada's 'Healing' meter is only effective healing. 'Total healing' is effective + overheal.

[fabuloso]

Shaman is fine, the difference between healers in warcraft logs is only about 3%. Considering logs do not take into account spirit link totem but skada does, you will not be bottom during raid.

In fact, this is the closet balance between the different healers in the history of wow.

[Nythiz]

At the moment resto shamans is fine really. Especially on progress shamans are more than able to keep up with other healers, assuming similar gear etc.
The moment fights to go farm, that's when shamans will start to fall behind as our mastery doesn't really kick in as much anymore.

The reason you're behind could be multiple reasons: bad play, unlucky, overgearing the fight, playstyle, etc. Hard to tell without logs and stuff.

EDIT: That said, we should be critical about the mythic logs showing up in the next few weeks. If we're still the worst healer that might be an issue.

[Nithian]

This is a joke....if your raid isn't dropping low enough for shamans outstanding mastery to be used your numbers will be lower. Big deal...
Every RL who knows their ass from a hole in the ground knows how essential resto shaman are with their incredible CDs, mastery and second to none utility.

If you're focused on "HPS" as a healer you are healing wrong.

[Sageless]

If your other healers are good, you'll be behind as a shaman.
Basically our mastery does hardly anything, since the raid will on average be above 90% health.

To check how you are doing check this:
- are the other healers doing more than 20% overhealing
- is the raid below 80% health a good amount of the time
- are your fellow healers not derping around

If any of these are happening you will not be able to do a lot of healing.

Downside is that if you want to do good numbers as a shaman you will need to convince your raidleader to cut healers the moment a fight is no longer progression. However often this won't happen since cutting a healer will increase the likelyhood of a wipe.

If you always want to be able to do good numbers you are better of rerolling, since shaman will not be a suitable class for that until they make mastery be less stupid.

In regards to logs, the initial ones will be the best we will be this tier. So if we're not top there we will only slide down further (we're already low on the heroic ones, will have to see how the mythic ones will be).

[FrustratedTX]

Shaman just isn't a top parser anymore. We're not terrible, but Shaman is there for two things, Spirit Link and the 10% HP buff from Ancestral Vigor. We bring the most raid utility of all the healers and every raid should have one Shaman. I do wish Blizzard would stop nerfing chain heal though when our output is already falling behind a bit...

[Deleted]

Resto are fine, like said above, if people dont drop much then you suffer the most. Nearly all raid team for mythic now WANT a resto sham and it was the same for EN, get progression healers who can save the day.

[mcbubble]

He's just referring to this (which does look pretty bad):
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/11#metric=hps

[Nythiz]

He's just referring to this (which does look pretty bad):
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/11#metric=hps

At the moment you post this there are 17 resto shaman parses. And the other healers don't have much more, in fact a few have far less: disc priest has 2 parses, holy priest 6 parses.

This is completely unrepresentative. Wait a few days at the very least.
I'm not saying shaman isn't underpowered when it comes to pure healing output, but this isn't a good metric to judge it by at the moment.

And what Logie said is true too, we do bring a few things to a raid that are pretty useful. Having a multitude of strong AoE healing cooldowns is really strong. SLT is IMO the strongest healing cooldown in the game. We provide 2x +10% Health boosters with Ancestral Vigor and Gift of the Queen. Those are all good things to bring to a raid.

[mcbubble]

At the moment you post this there are 17 resto shaman parses. And the other healers don't have much more, in fact a few have far less: disc priest has 2 parses, holy priest 6 parses.

This is completely unrepresentative. Wait a few days at the very least.
I'm not saying shaman isn't underpowered when it comes to pure healing output, but this isn't a good metric to judge it by at the moment.

And what Logie said is true too, we do bring a few things to a raid that are pretty useful. Having a multitude of strong AoE healing cooldowns is really strong. SLT is IMO the strongest healing cooldown in the game. We provide 2x +10% Health boosters with Ancestral Vigor and Gift of the Queen. Those are all good things to bring to a raid.

A lot more parses up...still the last: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...hps&dataset=90
Wouldn't it be nice to be a holy paly where a ton of your healing done is judging off of CD...

[Deleted]

Our stenght shines in progression healing where there isnt much overhealing done and raid sits on low - mid health most of the time.
Ther's no chance of topping meters with resto as our mastery does not alow it.

Our CD's are strongest ingame when it comes to healing
Keeping tank alive on Scorpyron with all the adds hitting him when the other tank is dead? just pop the spirit link and keep melee alive with tank hehe

You'd be surprised how OP shamans are if you know how and when to use your cd's. Time your big heals to hit just after big AoE dmg.

i main Enhancement but i heal when we need a healer and even with far lower power in final trait i do comparable healing in non progression farming.

[mcbubble]

Our stenght shines in progression healing where there isnt much overhealing done and raid sits on low - mid health most of the time.
Ther's no chance of topping meters with resto as our mastery does not alow it.

Our CD's are strongest ingame when it comes to healing
Keeping tank alive on Scorpyron with all the adds hitting him when the other tank is dead? just pop the spirit link and keep melee alive with tank hehe

You'd be surprised how OP shamans are if you know how and when to use your cd's. Time your big heals to hit just after big AoE dmg.

i main Enhancement but i heal when we need a healer and even with far lower power in final trait i do comparable healing in non progression farming.

I don't understand people being defensive saying that our strength is in our CDs. *Every class has CDs now...His argument is from a pure HPS perspective and we are bottom of the barrel. *Granted SLT saves lives. *If it weren't for SLT, we'd be in really bad shape.

[Nihiel]

While that is true, nobody has as strong cds as resto shamans have, and for that reason alone they're vital to every single healing comp. What's hard to understand about that

[FrustratedTX]

While that is true, nobody has as strong cds as resto shamans have, and for that reason alone they're vital to every single healing comp. What's hard to understand about that

Not true at all.

Shaman have two aoe cooldowns. Healing tide and Spirit Link. We have no tank cooldowns.

Healing tide heals for 576% spell power base. Revival heals for 720% spell power base, Tranq heals for 900% spell power base, Aura of Mercy heals for 300% spell power. All four have artifact talents that improve their aoe cooldowns one way or another. In practice Tranq ends up out performing the others because of the 2min cooldown, and revival and healing tide end up coming out pretty even except revival is instant while a lot of healing tide ticks can get wasted. At least it's better than aura of mercy, however if a paladin runs aura of sacrifice and is good with their cooldown usage they can get more healing out of that than a healing tide.

Every other healer has single target cooldowns. Paladins get blessing of sacrifice (and bop to cheese certain encounters), Druids get iron bark, Monks get life cocoon, Holy Priests get Guardian Spirit.

Spirit link is basically the only reason to bring a shaman right now. You can get everything else you need out of the other healers with more throughput and without being dependent on the raid being low health. Additionally the only way to parse near the top as a shaman is to under heal farm content. Healing content with the proper number of keeps people's health too high in general for mastery to be fully effective.

I love playing my shaman, but our mastery holds us back more than it helps us. If we had a different mastery blizzard would have to increase the percentages on a lot of our heals to stay competitive.