How is unholy doing in patch 7.2?

[mmowin]

Been mostly focusing on my frost artifact but now i'm thinking of leveling up my Unholy artifact wpn. Is Unholy doing good in patch 7.2 or is it about the same? Talking about PVE mostly.

[Acidbaron]

For the effort you'll have to put in you won't see any gain over playing frost.

You can pull good numbers but one side it requires management over 3 resources. Cooldown management that requires enough planning ahead both on trash and bosses (raid bosses). Beyond that RNG is still a factor.

So yes i'm going to throw in the cliché that frost is easier to manage and get better numbers with.

[mmowin]

For the effort you'll have to put in you won't see any gain over playing frost.

You can pull good numbers but one side it requires management over 3 resources. Cooldown management that requires enough planning ahead both on trash and bosses (raid bosses). Beyond that RNG is still a factor.

So yes i'm going to throw in the cliché that frost is easier to manage and get better numbers with.

That's unfortunate. Frost it is then.

[Teepix]

Frost is probably still better? Not really sure but I have noticed a large increase in unholy for 7.2

[Deleted]

key factor: do you like Breath of sindragosa? if no: go unholy
if yes: why are you asking this question?

[Adlian]

Not much better than before, all of the core issues are there. So far 7.2.5 fixes the exceed amount of RP but that's all sadly. I have the feeling that Blizzard will ignore Unholy once again and once it drop on the bottom again (from near the bottom atm) they will do some % buff and call it a day.

[Balvan]

UH is actually better in mythic+. It does way more aoe dmg on trash, but less dmg on boss fights (on short boss fights not so much less). But since trash is 80% of mythic+, UH wins. IF you pref raiding over m+ go bos frost then.

[Deleted]

UH is actually better in mythic+. It does way more aoe dmg on trash, but less dmg on boss fights (on short boss fights not so much less). But since trash is 80% of mythic+, UH wins. IF you pref raiding over m+ go bos frost then.

WTF no. Frost is great in M+. Did +14 DHT and i had 1.3m dps overall, our unholy 1.06m. I was beating him on big pulls and bosses.

Unholy has strong AOE but a strong frost DK with clever breath utilization will be stronger.

It is all out frost atm. Unholy might be soooo bad, but it cant compete with frost and the rest.

[Balvan]

WTF no. Frost is great in M+. Did +14 DHT and i had 1.3m dps overall, our unholy 1.06m. I was beating him on big pulls and bosses.

Unholy has strong AOE but a strong frost DK with clever breath utilization will be stronger.

It is all out frost atm. Unholy might be soooo bad, but it cant compete with frost and the rest.

Nah you must have been doing something wrong as uh. Its significantly stronger then frost on trash. Far more consistent dmg unlike frost where if u get bad rng with rime u do shit aoe. It also depends a lot on your uh gear and spec, but with my 905 full mastery uh with epidemic i pull way more aoe dmg on trash then with frost (my frost gear is even better). And trust me i know very well what i am doing with both specs.
Actually atm uh is one of the strongest aoe specs for m+ in game, maybe even in top 3.

[Indil]

It's going bad for us Unholy, yeah, seems like blizzard have given up.

[Phreeze]

since 7.2 i was losing over 100k dps on frost, as i misplaced the artifact points. I didn't use the "new" points, but filled the old ones. The char is dead...farming much AP now to get back. Also went for a BoS build, which i'm not that happy with, as it's extremely situational where you put a lot of dmg. In fights where you have to run around often like Star augur, elisandre and guldan, I'm not in top 6 anymore, before i was 2nd in dmg.
There are other bosses like Skropyron where i was over 1mio at some time (ilvl 899), end of the fight around 720k. When BoS runs out, there's a huge downtime on runes and RP which makes you drop so heavily...arff...frustrating
Our unholy, who has 3 more AP levels in his weapon, about same equip, is 1st/2nd in dmg, doing about 20 to 100k more than me :-/

[Deleted]

Nah you must have been doing something wrong as uh. Its significantly stronger then frost on trash. Far more consistent dmg unlike frost where if u get bad rng with rime u do shit aoe. It also depends a lot on your uh gear and spec, but with my 905 full mastery uh with epidemic i pull way more aoe dmg on trash then with frost (my frost gear is even better). And trust me i know very well what i am doing with both specs.
Actually atm uh is one of the strongest aoe specs for m+ in game, maybe even in top 3.

No it isnt. Perhaps unholy is strong at 20+ mobs but in most cleave / breath will win. And Sindragosa provides insane burst for the big pulls.

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since 7.2 i was losing over 100k dps on frost, as i misplaced the artifact points. I didn't use the "new" points, but filled the old ones. The char is dead...farming much AP now to get back. Also went for a BoS build, which i'm not that happy with, as it's extremely situational where you put a lot of dmg. In fights where you have to run around often like Star augur, elisandre and guldan, I'm not in top 6 anymore, before i was 2nd in dmg.
There are other bosses like Skropyron where i was over 1mio at some time (ilvl 899), end of the fight around 720k. When BoS runs out, there's a huge downtime on runes and RP which makes you drop so heavily...arff...frustrating
Our unholy, who has 3 more AP levels in his weapon, about same equip, is 1st/2nd in dmg, doing about 20 to 100k more than me :-/

Thats your problem. I did 813k, 914k, 806k on Star Augur mythic, was the first 2 times p1 in my raid, now P6


RNG can be painful here, but it isnt that bad. Yesterday i had thaz 806k kill, but we had 2 1% wipes where i was at 880k and 833k.

Pulling 700k is imo a skill issue unless it is really bad RNG.

[Balvan]

No it isnt. Perhaps unholy is strong at 20+ mobs but in most cleave / breath will win. And Sindragosa provides insane burst for the big pulls.

What are you talking about man? In m+ you can use breath no more then once between bosses and Sindragosa once every 4-5 mins. So yes you might have 1.5 -2mil dps on one pack between bosses but on all other u ll dmg will not compare to consistent aoe dmg UH has on every pack. In total dmg on trash in m+ UH wins by fair margine.

[Voldro]

IF you get bracers and KJBW/Helm , you can pull some really good numbers. But keep in mind that you need two of these three legendaries in order to actually be in the upper middle part of the pack. So if you do not get them from the beginning , you will play catch up for a loooooong time.

[Deleted]

What are you talking about man? In m+ you can use breath no more then once between bosses and Sindragosa once every 4-5 mins. So yes you might have 1.5 -2mil dps on one pack between bosses but on all other u ll dmg will not compare to consistent aoe dmg UH has on every pack. In total dmg on trash in m+ UH wins by fair margine.

Are you EU? Shall we do a M+ together?

Our other DK played unholy in M+14 DHT and after that run he went back to frost saying "i thought unholy was better".

Even at warcraftlogs you see frost outdps unholy.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...dps&dataset=90

Frost is perhaps weakrr at +2 because breath is much stronger when adds live vrry long. But frost is very strong amd i havent yet seen any unholy dk keeping up with me.

[Deleted]

Frost is better for mostly everything as of current tuning on average. If you've gotten some insane swings in damage due to good procs that's amazing and all but frost is overall still a more reliable spec.
Now that is coming from someone who absolutely refused to switch to Frost when it became dominant in ToV, but in NH and until now there is 0 reason to play Unholy if you are slightly competitive with anything more than other Unholy DKs.

[Balvan]

Are you EU? Shall we do a M+ together?

Our other DK played unholy in M+14 DHT and after that run he went back to frost saying "i thought unholy was better".

Even at warcraftlogs you see frost outdps unholy.

I am EU and i dont mind playing M+ together.

But i actually don't need to play with you to prove my point. I play both specs myself at very good level (playing dk as main since cata, ex mythic raider, played both specs equally), i have same ilvl gear on both specs (905) and frost even has better legs atm. And i can compare myself. UH does way more dmg on trash in m+ and that's fact. On average 20% more dmg, and on some packs even 50% more. Perhaps you didn't have chance to compare yourself with very good and correctly geared and specced UH dks as so few ppl play UH atm.

[Deleted]

I am EU and i dont mind playing M+ together.

But i actually don't need to play with you to prove my point. I play both specs myself at very good level (playing dk as main since cata, ex mythic raider, played both specs equaly timewise), i have same ilvl gear on both specs (905) and frost even has better legs atm. And i can compare myself. UH does way more dmg on trash in m+ and that's fact. On average 20% more dmg, and on some packs even 50% more. Perhaps you didn't have chance to compare yourself with very good and correctly geared and specced UH dks as so few ppl play UH atm.

Perhaps you just arent good at playing frost. I always play with voice and ts and tell our tanks what to pull, when to chainpull and so on. With the right planing frost is insane. 1.5m boss dps, 2 to 4m on many packs.

Proper ececution tgouhh is extremely important. Sorry that i gotta say that, but i dont think you are playing at high lvl if you believe unholy is better.

[Balvan]

Perhaps you just arent good at playing frost. I always play with voice and ts and tell our tanks what to pull, when to chainpull and so on. With the right planing frost is insane. 1.5m boss dps, 2 to 4m on many packs.

Proper ececution tgouhh is extremely important. Sorry that i gotta say that, but i dont think you are playing at high lvl if you believe unholy is better.

If your ilvl is similar to mine (around 905) feel free to leave me your battlenet tag so i can add you tonight so we can do some m+ together. I'd rly like you to prove me wrong.

[LordKain]

I your ilvl is similar to mine (around 905) feel free to leave me your battlenet tag so i can add you tonight so we can do some m+ together. I'd rly like you to prove me wrong.

/popcorn

Anyone else looking forward to the results....if Klatar steps up that is.