My thoughts on how to tweak beacon of light

[Evereghalo]

I have been running instances as a prot pally,

and right now my least favorite healing class to have is a holy paladin.

I honestly do not know if it is the gear of the paladin, which is what I am leaning to as the cause, because healing 5mans as holy is probly the toughest of any healing class.

Thoughts on Changes:

1) Make over heals on healed targets transfer fully to the beacon.

2) Make heals on the beacon, distribute heals to players within 10 yrds based on some fraction of the amount healed to the beacon.

It just seems like these tweaks would just go a long way, and not break the mechanic of the spell.

No flames please, honest feed back only: yes, they would help, Number 1 not number 2 heres why, No, they are not needed those paladins are bad.

its just some thoughts I am having, and if you flame me I do not care im Prot main spec and well I am content with where I am.

[Yara]

Healing heriocs as a holy pally is now amazingly easy, now that we have Beacon of Light (which can be used in a variety of ways), Holy Shock is actually useful, our gear has a lot of haste allowing us to react very fast (with all procs available I've seen my HL casting time at 0.7 sec), and we don't need to worry too much about our mana with Divine Plea. Since I've filled all my slots with ilvl 187 blues, I didn't see any encounter in heroics that would be challenging for me to heal through.

I think it's just you were a bit unlucky and met holy palas that were either in bad gear, or not knowing how to play their class.

Adding any additional way of healing a group will make other classes obsolete - we're on top of healing charts already, we really don't need more love from Blizz here. E.g. transferring overhealing instead of effective heal would make 25-man Patchwerk doable with just 3 palas on tanks and 20 dps in raid, that would be just silly. We're the best single-target healers, we don't want to be assigned to heal raid, really

[Aerr]

made me think about the bacon of light thread a while back..

i loved that one :>

[Deleted]

made me think about the bacon of light thread a while back..

I was not going to mention it, since I hate derailing constructive (or at least serious) topics..
But yeah, bacon!

[Deleted]

I have not yet started doing Northrend instances with my holy, wanted to level my prot to 80 first, but I personally love bacon of light. And I don't think holy paladins are in any bad shape. But one thing I do agree on: it would be nice if overheals were counted, even if the overhealed amount was reduced by 50% it would still be more useful than now.

[Caramelcolor]

I have had no real issues since I hit 80 with healing heroics, at the time I was using 7/8 tier 6 with ~1300 spell power. As long as the tank was decently geared and didn't decide to pull more than he could handle at once, everything was cool. Right now i'm just short of 1900 spell power with 22% crit, 350 or 450 haste (don't remember exactly,) and like 120 mp5 while casting. I rarely run out of mana.

I think bacon of light is pretty good as it is and just requires more strategy to use than people assume. I haven't leveled my resto druid up yet but if it is anything like how it was at 70, druids are 5x better 5man and aoe healers than paladins.

Try finding a good holy paladin and run heroics with him/her, last week I healed a heroic drak'tharon keep with a druid tank in full 70 badge and tier 4/5 gear.

[Deleted]

This.


Wouldn't only balance PvE but also PvP (maybe a bit OP for pvp though)

I suggested that they'd reduce the effectiveness on overheals by some percentage, 30% - 50%. It'd still be useful, and perhaps not OP in PvP anymore.

[b37x]

I wholeheartedly support #1.

For #2, perhaps only overheals on the beacon should be converted to aoe?

Also, wtb longer uptime on Beacon (willing to pay higher mana cost).

[cerbul]

The real problem of paladins in heroics are just at some bosses where alot of aoe is around and where you have to move too much.
But, as I am in a end game raiding guild (in TBC were, but now are the same ppl) I was suprized to see last night that without using Judgement of light(I was only paladin as holy paladin and I used judgement of wisdom), having 8 blue items on me I could beat in healing 2 of the best healers in guild, a priest and a shammy both full epic. Not that I'm the worst healer in guild, but we had a healing like 40% me, 28 the priest and 27 the shamy.
So, I am trying to point out that in 10 ppl naxx paladins can do good. Ofc took me some time to realize the real power of flash of light/sacred/holy shock spam (not the shield that does on the player but the benefits to the flash of light) and keeping up the beacon of light. I'm sure all priests will beat me in 25 ppl raids, but will see about that.
So far I am a bit not so happy that heroics started to be too easy. Too bad I don't have yet the prot/ret gear to see other healers in action while heroics. And I realy don't know why so many tanks are disliking the paladins. Is it that heroics are even more easy for other healing classes.
What I expected from Wotlk were 2 things:
I really wanted to don't have the same problem as in TBC so that I had to do like 1 month pvp to get some healing gear to be able to heal SP heroic, and I also wanted that some instances should be hard even with full T7. So far, I was able to jump into heroics directly from leveling when I hit level 80. But so far, as I'm still wearing 9 blue items, I shouldn't be able to heal all heroics in game.

[SimTex]

Paladins are fine the other classes need tweaks, imo.

And making BoL work on overhealing would just make it another mindless spam too, which I don't think any paladin would appreciate. The only suitable improvement would be to lower the mana cost of it, such that it could be used for other than MT healing.

[Smashalot]

This.


Wouldn't only balance PvE but also PvP (maybe a bit OP for pvp though)

Lol, you guys wanna make the best new healing talent in the game better? I hate to say it but it'll get nerfed eventually. I'll swap you for Ancestral Awakening any day. I don't think you'll mind the overhealing of beacon that much then.

[greenmasheen]

something i always thought would be cool for paladins is to have a talent that gives some type of minor splash heal to those who stand relatively close to those being healed.

something like a small initial heal and then a small hot for 5 or so seconds. not sure if people on here played games like Star Craft where there was splash damage, but in this case it would be splash healing.

[cerbul]

I like the healing on paladin more then ever, as is a bit more smart and this means more organized players can have very good runs/boss encounters.
Imo the aoe heals the way they are at the moment for other classes is not good, and will never be able to force ppl to use them less in this form. All aoe heals should be modified so that can be usefull in some situations, for short duration and I believe that should never be more effective then spamming holy light on 4 players of the group, or maybe combined with holy shock for 1 target.
I don't want to end up having a "1 button" healing class as then I will quit this game for not being fun at all. But is not fair either to be leftout for an aoe healer. Actualy I ask myself why aren't priests out there whining that CoH is cutting out some of the fun and challenge of the game... I've seen priests talent trees and I was pleasantly suprized when I saw that 3% more hitrating if using some particular spell rotation. Now that is fun and is realy nice.
Maybe Blizzard should reconsider the way AOE heals work, and try to make aoe heal viable only in 25 ppl raids. And this I mean for every AoE healing class out there, or change the way they work to make them more situational, more fun, and be be effective only if the player manages to organize himself in a smart way.
What I am more concerned at the moment is about tanks, and the way heroics are at the moment. Is not normal to be able to heal all heroics ingame with 9 blue items/rest epic. And the fun that we had to be organizing every group pull and decide wich should have been cced and wich should die first, has been taken from us.

[Server557]

something i always thought would be cool for paladins is to have a talent that gives some type of minor splash heal to those who stand relatively close to those being healed.

something like a small initial heal and then a small hot for 5 or so seconds. not sure if people on here played games like Star Craft where there was splash damage, but in this case it would be splash healing.

There's already something like this that helps paladins, which is the Glyph of Holy Light, which heals targets within 10 Yards of the main target, for 10% of the amount healed. It's not superiorly awsome, but it does help just that little bit.

Now its been said many times that Paladins aren't designed to be AoE Healers, they are designed to be powerful single target healers.. and from my personal experiences, Holy Paladins are doing damn fine in all 5man heroics. You just need someone who is competent and understands their class mechanics well.

Edit: Sorry it's actually a 5yrd radius and heals up to a maximum of 5 targets.
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41106

[Pyrah]

Actually I kinda agree with the OP.

But the problem is not tha capabilities of the paladin class.
On tha trespect all 4 healing classes have their strong points and I am certain that all 4 healing can manage heroics with basic dugeon gear.

The problem lies in the "ease of play".

The shaman for example is clearly the easiest healer to play. Its the only class with smart heals! It has reactive healing in the form of a buff. It has a talent that heals the party member with lowest health. Chain heal seeks its 2 secondary targets all by itself and makes a good work of it.

The paladin on the other hand is the toughest class by far. Only single target heals, each with different casting time. Beacon of Light's way of healing is also not easy master. He has LOTS of activie single target utility spells. He has to attack his targets for maximum healing.

Overall the paladin healing is imo the most challenging to play. It is tougher to master than other healing classes, but not more rewarding. That needs a fix. Either make it more rewarding, or make it a bit easier.

[cerbul]

Being harder is really nice, as is rewarding when you succed to output alot of healing in a small amount of time. The improvements that I would like to see is to make the play style smarter so that every time you can get organized to proc some abilities is really nice and rewarding. Only thing that makes me "happy" about this game is the feeling that I did nice healing and organized well in some hard situations while healing on a boss encounter. The other thing that makes me pleased is the fact that out of dungeon is not borring.

[bonovoxpsu]

the only issue i have with paladin bacon is the 1 minute duration.

fuck that's annoying.

probably the most underrated tool holy paladins have is sacred shield. it is an exceptional buff.

otherwise, as a holy paladin i was healing heroics with 1200 SP. :P

you can say i'm a fan of the bacon.

[lumnights]

Blizzard designed Holy P's to be the "best" single target healers. The problem with that is, in 5-mans, we're not single target healing. I'm not saying we need a full-on AoE heal, but Beacon could use some work to help us out... so...

Beacon is great. Kind of.

Have overheals fully transfer to the BoL target. Honestly, this seems like a "well duh" concept. I'm very surprised that Blizz didn't design BoL this way in the first place.

I like the OP's idea of the "splash" effect, but we already have that with a glyph. I am disappointed though, in how short a range it has. I would like to see it bumped up to 10 yards. It's irritating to cast a holy light and not have the splash effect reach those players who are attacking the mob/boss from behind. This is especially significant on large bosses (dragons, giants, etc.)

I'd also like to see the GCD removed from Beacon in case you have to cast it on someone else mid-fight, or re-cast it because of its lovely 1-minute duration. Change it to 2 and I'll be psyched.

[Xetron]

Guys please....
It's absolutely not necessary to buff the holy paladin by these margins. With best in slot gear you can sustain Holy Light spam already for whole naxx 25 fights. Overhealing on beacon would be somewhat imbalanced it wouldnt be funny. I can top the effective healmeter on all fights which require no extensive ae-healing and i have 70% overhealing on average. Imaginge that going into beacon.... ridiculous.

The thing that really needs a tweak is wild growth and circle spamming and thats being addressed right now, so suck it up guys. The only small tweak you could do is having the holy light glyph splash component being buffed from 5 to 10y so that it heals the melee most of the time when casting holy light on the tank. All other stuff you proposed here was garbage to use no harsher words...

[Majokin]

@tehealadin: sry , but your job was made by other healers in raids, if thats yr opinion =( it matters who stays alive, thats right, but it also matter WHO helped this char to survive. coz you could be replaced by a more effective player otherwise.

my opinion: healpala is fine belonging heal, but DPS should/will be raised.

so long*majo