Rerolling pala question

[kailtas]

Hi

i have been playing BE paladin since the start of BC.
recently i rerolled to human paladin at saurfang EU, it's a new start realm and i kinda feel my old realm is dead.

now the question is. it's always been pretty straight forward wich weapons i shud go for, since there are no racials for BE wich increases or reduces dps with certain weapons.
but how much shud i consider the ekspertise bonus when im picking weapons.
atm with the curent weps it's no big deal, and i know ekspertise is a bad stat for paly but not the the point it's being useless.
and ekspertise shud be taken into consideration when choosing weapons.

[Adamson]

get betrayer of humanity.

End of story.

In the mean time, get the sword of justice from halls of stone, it's the best weapon pre-25 nax and death's bite from KT 10man.

[Deleted]

25 expertise (not rating!) eliminates parries on a mob lvl83 (that is 6.50%). Because I don't remember if mob can parry from behind here are the choices:

-if you're a tank a mob can parry, thus aim for 25 expertise (with prot talents you need half of that, rest comes from SoC + glyph)

-if you're dps and standing at the back, and mob cannot parry - ignore expertise

-if you're dps and standing at the back, and mob can parry - ask fellow dps'ers, probably will reccommend you to put a bit into expertise but not too much, hit rating is much more important

[Adamson]

expertise prevents the mob from dodging too >:/

[Deleted]

get betrayer of humanity.

End of story.

In the mean time, get the sword of justice from halls of stone, it's the best weapon pre-25 nax and death's bite from KT 10man.

Rofl sword of justice is absolute shit.

This is pretty much the order of how good the weapons are for you:

Colossal Skull-Clad Cleaver (hc HoL)
death's bite (10 man naxx KT)
inevitable defeat (25 man naxx trash drop)
armageddon (25 man naxx 4 horsemen)
cryptfiends bite (25 man naxx heigan)
the jawbone (25 man naxx maexxna)
Betrayer of Humanity (25 man naxx KT)

and no the extra expertice dosent matter

NOTE: EXPERTICE IS GREAT FOR DPS PALADINS

[Deleted]

expertise prevents the mob from dodging too >:/

Yes ofc, but eliminating dodge from boss table takes a lot more expertise, whereas going simply 25 is still feasible even for dps.

[Strykzor]

I honestly cant understand half the people in this thread.

Basically.

The expertise is nice, but

Do not go out of your way to get a sword or mace tho.

[Ashmadai]

Actually, you have it all backwards. You need 26 expertise skill to remove Dodge from a level 83 boss's combat table. Parry takes much more, basically an unobtainable number. Parry is irrelevant for DPS anyway, because bosses only parry from the front.

Trust me, I know. I'm a tank, and I have 26 expertise with my seal of corruption glyph. I don't get dodged anymore, but guess what I do get? That's right, parried. =)

[Adamson]

Rofl sword of justice is absolute shit.

Um, it's better than every nax epic from 10-man minus death's bite.

And yes, expertise is VERY NICE for ret paladins, however there is no circumstance where it's better than strength.

[Deleted]

Um, it's better than every nax epic from 10-man minus death's bite.

um no its not it got 169 dps while all the naxx weapons got atleast 186 dps.

[bals]

um no its not it got 169 dps while all the naxx weapons got atleast 186 dps.

you must be one of those people that think since it's a pretty purple it obviously must be better and don't know how to play

and dps has to worry about dodge, not parry. dodge takes 26 expertise to remove

[Deleted]

you must be one of those people that think since it's a pretty purple it obviously must be better and don't know how to play

and dps has to worry about dodge, not parry. dodge takes 26 expertise to remove

you sir are a retard

1. EXPERTICE IS GOOD I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ELSE
2. the dmg on weapons is thing that makes you do more dps its not the stats, else BoH would be owned by the jawbone and thats just not gonna happen

[bals]

you sir are a retard

1. EXPERTICE IS GOOD I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ELSE
2. the dmg on weapons is thing that makes you do more dps its not the stats, else BoH would be owned by the jawbone and thats just not gonna happen

1. I was pointing out the people above saying it was parry not dodge.
2. yes you're right. the dmg on the weapons does make you do more dps. the damage (not dps, tard) on soj is higher than most naxx10 weapons is why it's better, especially since most ret skills scale with weapon damage.

[Adamson]

um no its not it got 169 dps while all the naxx weapons got atleast 186 dps.

^ This is why you're a retard.

Sword of justice has more unbuffed AP than any 10-man nax weapon minus death's bite.

Raid buffed it also has a higher damage range than all the other weapons minus death's bite.


www.codeplex.com/rawr

Load ANY paladin with raid buffs, and sword of justice is better than EVERY 10-man nax weapon except death's bite.

It just is. It's retardedly well itemized for rets. The weapon speed normalization doesn't affect a few of our abilities, so slower weapons with their high damage range are still superior.

[Deleted]

1. I was pointing out the people above saying it was parry not dodge.
2. yes you're right. the dmg on the weapons does make you do more dps. the damage (not dps, tard) on soj is higher than most naxx10 weapons is why it's better, especially since most ret skills scale with weapon damage.

so what you are saying is that [Sword of Justice] 514-772 dmg 3.8 speed is better than [Colossal Skull-Clad Cleaver] 507-761 dmg 3.4 speed

well that aint true Sword of Justice is doing from 7-11 dmg more on a swing when you convert it into dmg on cs or ds you probably see a total of 50 dps increase which is not better than the dps from skull clad cleaver if you think its so good okay sure np with me its not the reality tho

[Adamson]

Weapon dps is irrelevant and unrelated to actually dps done by its user.

Weapon damage modified by your own stats and swing speed modified by haste and raid buffs plays a much larger role.

Never look at weapon dps to determine how good a weapon is or isn't. While it's a good guideline it's not exact.

[Varius]

1. If you have a choice between similar dps weapons, one that gives you the racial and one that doesn't, go for the one that gives the expertise.

2. If you have 2 weapons with close dps go for the slower one, slower swing speed increases dmg of instants and seals.

The racial is a nice dps increase, but do not use a worse weapon to stick with it.

http://www.codeplex.com/Rawr Is a very nice program for helping you gear yourself.

[bals]

so what you are saying is that [Sword of Justice] 514-772 dmg 3.8 speed is better than [Colossal Skull-Clad Cleaver] 507-761 dmg 3.4 speed

well that aint true Sword of Justice is doing from 7-11 dmg more on a swing when you convert it into dmg on cs or ds you probably see a total of 50 dps increase which is not better than the dps from skull clad cleaver if you think its so good okay sure np with me its not the reality tho

ap gives more of a benefit to slower weapons as well, which will make a much larger than a 7-11 dmg difference on your character's sheet.

not to mention, using your logic: 50dps < 17 weapon dps?

makes sense that 50 is less than 17 /sarcasm

[Deleted]

its not only sword of justice who scales with ap/str/sp, skull clad does too, without the human racial which is 3 expertice skull clad is better as the 2.74% haste outweighs the 0.5% crit by far with human racial these two weapons is even

[Vanesa]

Hi

i have been playing BE paladin since the start of BC.
recently i rerolled to human paladin at saurfang EU, it's a new start realm and i kinda feel my old realm is dead.

now the question is. it's always been pretty straight forward wich weapons i shud go for, since there are no racials for BE wich increases or reduces dps with certain weapons.
but how much shud i consider the ekspertise bonus when im picking weapons.
atm with the curent weps it's no big deal, and i know ekspertise is a bad stat for paly but not the the point it's being useless.
and ekspertise shud be taken into consideration when choosing weapons.

What do u plan to do? Ret, Holy, or Prot?