Nobles deck

[Shiino]

Is the nobles deck still the BIS for dks after patch? :P

[cryogenic]

I'd imagine so, so far.
But some bosses don't have known loot tables.

[Kaspar]

Greatness beats all the current trinkets by a landslide, you won't be throwing it into the bin for a long time.

The 2 Ulduar phys dps trinkets listed so far wont get close.

[frozenpatato]

So far, it's still one of the best, yes.

But I believe if we see a phys. Trinket drop of Yoggy ou Algalon, it will be better than Greatness

[Xs]

There have to be 2 trinkets better than Greatness before you'll replace it, so its still well worth it and will last you probably 1 month+ even into Uldar, unless you're lucky and have wads of DKP

[Xthform]

God I hope there isn't anything better for awhile I like making my 11k off my nobles decks.

[Kaspar]

There have to be 2 trinkets better than Greatness before you'll replace it, so its still well worth it and will last you probably 1 month+ even into Uldar, unless you're lucky and have wads of DKP

I seriously don't see the chance of blizz adding 2 BiS trinkets to the already known loot table.

1 maybe, but certainly not 2.

In which case, Greatness will last you to the end of 3.2 and possibly midpoint of 3.3

[Bullshifter]

Have to echo what everyone is saying so far- you will be wearing it until 3.3 if you already have it, and it's probably still worth getting if you don't have it, and have the resources.

[Ewendor]

Fury of the Five Flights is already better, (at least in fights long enough to charge it) so only one better trinket needs to be added, not two.

[Bullshifter]

Fury of the Five Flights is in no way better, I'm not sure where you are getting that idea. Fury is generally, at best, 3rd BiS with current trinkets- beat out by a wide margin by Greatness and running very slightly worse than Bandit's Insignia in practical use. But it is crap compared to Greatness. It's average "AP value" is slightly better by itself than Fury (closer to 330 AP), and it is granted in its entirety by strength, which is immeasurably more valuable than straight AP.

[Deleted]

So far, it's still one of the best, yes.

But I believe if we see a phys. Trinket drop of Yoggy ou Algalon, it will be better than Greatness

and its just awesome we got 2 trinket slots then? :P

[stalkerzero]

I just picked mine up finally (only cost 3200 gold because I was patient) and I only did so because I whole-heartedly believe I will not be replacing it in Ulduar.

Then again, I don't raid so I guess I won't be replacing it until the next expansion?

[NoAbloIngles]

i havent see any better trinket on PTR,, maybe Icecrown Citadel, just like the Old lvl 70 decks BiS until BT

[Shiino]

thanks for the replies guys , its pretty awesome!

[egowhip]

I hope it is like TBC where I used Darkmoon Card: Crusade for ret the entire X-pac. I also think it is funny that the 2nd best trinket was the Shard of contempt froma 5 man heroic...WTF!

I have the greatness now and I can't imagine them being able to come up with a better trinket..except making it similar type with larger numbers.

[Ailesith]

I would go so far as to agree that yes it is a better dps trinket. Though the actual benefit from this item is not a whole lot more then anvil of titans. After 17 minutes of straight combat, it came down that the proc/benefit from greatness was 2187.5 anvil of the titans 2000. Thousands of gold spent on a item that is barely a upgrade. If u were to divide 187.5 benefit by 17 u would get a total 11 DPS increase in ur meters. Needless to say shorter battles will definatly see greater % benefit from the trinket but none the less. Not worth the insane amounts of money people are selling them for imo

[Bullshifter]

I would go so far as to agree that yes it is a better dps trinket. Though the actual benefit from this item is not a whole lot more then anvil of titans. After 17 minutes of straight combat, it came down that the proc/benefit from greatness was 2187.5 anvil of the titans 2000. Thousands of gold spent on a item that is barely a upgrade. If u were to divide 187.5 benefit by 17 u would get a total 11 DPS increase in ur meters. Needless to say shorter battles will definatly see greater % benefit from the trinket but none the less. Not worth the insane amounts of money people are selling them for imo

Wait, what? You're comparaing anvil of titans, which isn't even as good as the Mirror of Truth, to the Darkmoon Card Greatness?

Now, whether it's worth the 6-9k price of admission is a personal choice I guess, but it is significantly better- and not by 11 dps.

[Kaspar]

I would go so far as to agree that yes it is a better dps trinket. Though the actual benefit from this item is not a whole lot more then anvil of titans. After 17 minutes of straight combat, it came down that the proc/benefit from greatness was 2187.5 anvil of the titans 2000. Thousands of gold spent on a item that is barely a upgrade. If u were to divide 187.5 benefit by 17 u would get a total 11 DPS increase in ur meters. Needless to say shorter battles will definatly see greater % benefit from the trinket but none the less. Not worth the insane amounts of money people are selling them for imo

Ooh, this is wrong on so many levels.

1) You don't use a PVP item it PVE. You just don't.
2) There are no fights that even come close to 17 minutes (besides a few unlucky Heigan kills). Also, its value increases in AOE trash pulls, which there are a lot.
3) Greatness has the best AP value. The anvil doesnt come even remotely close. Also, it scales with kings and it's semi-passive nature also means it gets a constant boost from trueshot aura etc.
4) The "insane amounts of money" are the damn things production costs. Do you have any idea how much luck, gold and AH scanning time or farming it takes? It's insane, I've made 3 decks buying the mats and it's a ton of work. We need to make a living.

[Mothhive]

I would go so far as to agree that yes it is a better dps trinket. Though the actual benefit from this item is not a whole lot more then anvil of titans. After 17 minutes of straight combat, it came down that the proc/benefit from greatness was 2187.5 anvil of the titans 2000. Thousands of gold spent on a item that is barely a upgrade. If u were to divide 187.5 benefit by 17 u would get a total 11 DPS increase in ur meters. Needless to say shorter battles will definatly see greater % benefit from the trinket but none the less. Not worth the insane amounts of money people are selling them for imo

I think you just proved you have no clue what you are talking about.

What are the figures you've given? 2187.5 and 2000 what? DPS, Damage, frames of animation their procs use in that time? How did you get these magic numbers? If it's the difference in damage, dividing the 187.5 difference into 17 would give you the difference in Damage Per Minute, not Damage Per Second, and by your calculation the DPS difference would be 0.18 DPS, which is bollocks. If you were talking about the overall DPS for 2 different 17 minute tests, the difference is simple, 187.5 extra DPS from the greatness card, no fancy calculations required. If it's something else entirely, please enlighten us.

[Nightseye]

I would actually imagine that with the 25% bonus benefits to Armor Penetration, Grim Toll would surpass Greatness as a BiS trinket. Preliminary tests on Elitist Jerks suggests that 1 point of Armor Pen is just as valuable as 1 point of Strength, and possibly surpassing strength when you stack past 500 rating.

Greatness Procs for 300 Strength, Grim Toll procs for 612 ArP Rating. Judging purely from the proc perspective, the EP on strength has to almost double the EP of Armor Pen in order for Greatness to be better than Grim Toll post patch (Greatness does last 5 seconds longer than Grim Toll). Most numbers on elitist jerks however shows a near 1:1 Ratio.

Now to compare the passive equip effects. Grim Toll has 83 Hit Rating, while Greatness has 90 Strength. Speaking purely in terms of +16 stat gems, 83 HR = 5.18 x 16 Hit Rating Gems. Since we can't round down when it comes to achieving hit cap, we need at least 5.5 gems (0.5 can be an 8 HR Gem Hybrid with something else). 5.5 x 16 Strength Gems = 88 STR. Of course, this changes quite dramatically depending on how much HR you currently have, but most people with a DMC: Greatness tend to be close to the lower end of the hit cap.