What tree to specc for tank?

[Blodo]

Hello.

Well as im getting closer to 80 with my dk (2 days or something left), i have been reading alot of post in MMO, Wow forums etc for a tank specc, but i have not desided what exactly to specc.
Im gonna play with some friends and basiclly they have cleared the 10 man versions raids( not ulduar, as they are waiting for me :P )

So im looking for a tank specc for 5 man heroics and 10 man raids that works all around for Aoe, MT, OT.
And as you see i have made a poll that you can vote for a tree that works for it.

You can just vote, but if you want, give also some tips: what to specc, glyphs, gems?, and basiclly why?

[illbanu]

I voted frost, since its kinda the "jack of all trades" DK tank spec, its good single target and AoE threat, with good dmg migation to boot.

Tho if you have dual specs you may consider putting 1 Frost and 1 Blood, as there are certain encounters where blood has the advantage - it has higher EH, 1 more expertise and some other great MT-ing talents like WoTN and Vamp blood, so use it on single target fights like main tank on XT-002 or Hodir.

[Aragaarn]

Frost is good for a fairly new 80 because it has decent AoE and single threat. However, once you start only main tanking bosses, blood is the best for single target threat, and unholy is a great aoe tank once you get some gear upgrades.

[Talamare]

Blood is best for 5mans

Theres a blood tank that can solo heroics


Excessive self healing means your healer can be noobs and you guys still get thru it

[Albert the fish]

Tal makes a good point

in general tho. Frost is the best overall tank at the moment. blood is weak on aoe but very strong on single target and staying alive

frost is very strong on aoe, strong on single target and strong and staying alive. not as good in some suits as frost but they arn't bad at anything unlike bloods.


sooooooooooooooooooooo. yeah that's the basic sum at the moment. oh yeah and unholy is comparatively weak at the moment, still good aoe threat, poor single target threat and poor survivability

[Omen321]

just remember ..

Blood - More Mitigation

Frost - More HP

Unholy - Just dont spec this

(Stupid vet of the third war)

[Cookies_Please]

just remember ..

Blood - More Mitigation

Frost - More HP

Unholy - Just dont spec this

(Stupid vet of the third war)

Bad informations are bad.

[Comprise]

just remember ..

Blood - More Mitigation

Frost - More HP

Unholy - Just dont spec this

(Stupid vet of the third war)

[Ironfoot]

just remember ..

Blood - More Mitigation

Frost - More HP

Unholy - Just dont spec this

(Stupid vet of the third war)

I think was he was trying to say was for Blood you need to stack more Mitigation as it has lots of Stamina buffs already. And vice versa for Frost?

If not then it's just fail

[Omen321]

I think was he was trying to say was for Blood you need to stack more Mitigation as it has lots of Stamina buffs already. And vice versa for Frost?

If not then it's just fail

someone acctually got that ?.. wow its amazing ! .. YOU CAN READ!

[Ironfoot]

someone acctually got that ?.. wow its amazing ! .. YOU CAN READ!

I do pride myself on my abilities - and reading is certainly in the top 3.

[Jonisawsom]

Don't stack mitigation for blood, because you're just doing it wrong if you do. The point of going blood is that stamina scales better and you are more like the old druid tanks (mana sponge, lots of hp). Frost has good mitigation and you could really go any direction with it but stacking stamina isn't as effective as it is in blood.

Unholy is reported to be the weakest of the 3 right now. Blood used to be very weak on aoe threat but the new change to bloodboil and blood tree helped a lot. Even in my crappy gear I've had it crit for ~2k which if you figure in the damage from diseases and DnD and the threat generated I really doubt dps will pull aggro. Listen to the first couple posts, they had the best advice (and elitistjerks might help too).

[Omen321]

someone PLEASE tell me why you need over 43k Raid buffed .. EVER .. i mean ive never fought General or Yogg so i dont know but hardest hit in Ulduar ive seen so far is from Hodir with Frozen Blows for 40k (which as a DK you should have enough CD's that it should NEVER hit you for 40k ever. and if it does its why you have 3k to back you up because your healers should be pre-loading. I mean what are you doing ? stacking stam so on Thorim you can go "dont worry i'll tank through the Defense fuck i have the HP for it"

[Jonisawsom]

someone PLEASE tell me why you need over 43k Raid buffed .. EVER .. i mean ive never fought General or Yogg so i dont know but hardest hit in Ulduar ive seen so far is from Hodir with Frozen Blows for 40k (which as a DK you should have enough CD's that it should NEVER hit you for 40k ever. and if it does its why you have 3k to back you up because your healers should be pre-loading. I mean what are you doing ? stacking stam so on Thorim you can go "dont worry i'll tank through the Defense fuck i have the HP for it"

you guys are idiots honestly .. why get like 50k buffed there is NO point .. all you need in pre-ulduar gear raid buffed is 42k +.. once you hit that get Avoidance .. and i say Frost stacks stam and blood stacks avoidance just because Blood hits that 42k ALOT eaisier than frost ..and frost get mitigation easier than blood

Is it 42k hp or 43k hp? Not trying to nitpick, but you just seem to be throwing out random numbers and have nothing to really back it up. Not to mention that your MUST HAVE number is different between threads. And why have more than that 40k hp for Hodir? What if you aren't at full hp and you take the shot? I'm sure that extra 3% avoidance or 1k armor will do wonders for the missing 5k hp ...

The best tanks will swap out gear and even specs, or step aside for a tank better suited for a particular encounter. As long as you aren't gimping yourself in another area there is nothing wrong with taking one stat over the other.

[Omen321]

Is it 42k hp or 43k hp? Not trying to nitpick, but you just seem to be throwing out random numbers and have nothing to really back it up. Not to mention that your MUST HAVE number is different between threads. And why have more than that 40k hp for Hodir? What if you aren't at full hp and you take the shot? I'm sure that extra 3% avoidance or 1k armor will do wonders for the missing 5k hp ...

The best tanks will swap out gear and even specs, or step aside for a tank better suited for a particular encounter. As long as you aren't gimping yourself in another area there is nothing wrong with taking one stat over the other.

1) you guys are really running out of things to say bad about me now because you know im right, huh?

2) if you arnt at full when hodir swings if your healers fault .. the guys is a slow attacker.

[Jonisawsom]

Saying bad things about you? No I am calling you out for saying "you don't need more than this many hp", and then an hour later saying the same thing, only the number is different. That's called contradicting yourself.

You're right? Sorry but I have never heard anyone else ever say to stack stamina in frost and stack avoidance in blood. Hell you called avoidance mitigation and instead of admitting you were wrong you just said you used a different word as if they mean the same thing.

When you are all over the place like that, why would we bother taking you seriously?

[Omen321]

Saying bad things about you? No I am calling you out for saying "you don't need more than this many hp", and then an hour later saying the same thing, only the number is different. That's called contradicting yourself.

You're right? Sorry but I have never heard anyone else ever say to stack stamina in frost and stack avoidance in blood. Hell you called avoidance mitigation and instead of admitting you were wrong you just said you used a different word as if they mean the same thing.

When you are all over the place like that, why would we bother taking you seriously?

cause im right?.. i dunno



http://www.wowwiki.com/Mitigation
http://www.wowwiki.com/Avoidance
....... DK's take 80% less aoe damage?

[Jonisawsom]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mitigation
–verb (used with object)
1. to lessen in force or intensity, as wrath, grief, harshness, or pain; moderate.
2. to make less severe

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/avoidance
–noun
1. the act of avoiding or keeping away from


I know this must be difficult for you to understand so let's work through it together ok? Mitigation: When an attack is made against you, mitigation makes the damage less severe. That mob should hit you for 10k, but your armor reduced it to 5k. That's mitigation ok?

Now avoidance is the act of completely avoiding damage. You see the difference? One reduces the damage you take, and the other means you take no damage at all. So now can you stop being stupid and posting things that have nothing to do with the discussion?

What tree to spec? There is no single perfect spec for all fights. Some you will do better with more avoidance, some with more physical mitigation, some with more magical mitigation. Right now Blood and Frost seem to be performing the best so try them both and pick the one you like the best.

[zox]

http://www.wowwiki.com/Mitigation
http://www.wowwiki.com/Avoidance
....... DK's take 80% less aoe damage?

DKs aren't pets, so no, they don't take 80% less aoe dmg...

[Omen321]

DKs aren't pets, so no, they don't take 80% less aoe dmg...

wernt we technically pets of the lich king ? .. .. ah ah .. see what i did their ?