3.2.2 Paladin Changes.

[Lightfist]

Just a threat to discuss the changes (or lack of) to Paladins in 3.2.2.

I guess I'll start out...I'm, of course, not happy with the nerf to Prot Paladins. Mainly because I'm certain that it won't stop the complaining. I also can't help but feel that Blizzard epic failed at changing Touched by the Light...and had to pick one of the few ways to change it that nerfed PVE raiding.

(And thanks for nerfing our interupt, as it was really overpowered. No, really, it was. 40 seconds was insane and it was a necessary change.)

Paladins


* Righteous Fury: The bonus threat from Holy spells caused by this talent has been reduced from 90% to 80%.
* Talents

o Protection

+ Judgements of the Just: The reduction in cooldown to Hammer of Justice provided by this talent has been reduced to 5/10 seconds instead of 10/20 seconds.
+ Touched by the Light: This talent now provides 20/40/60% of the paladin’s strength as spell power instead of 10/20/30% of the paladin’s stamina.

o Retribution

+ Seal of Command: This ability now chains to strike up to 2 additional targets when it is triggered by an attack.

Edit: Added in the changes.

[syvas]

As a tankadin I worked out I lost about 100spellpower, but tbqh I'm not that bothered about it =P

[Jpkto]

I wonder why they're nerfing Prot paladin threat.

It is not OP in any kind of way, shape or form :3

[való]

I wonder why they're nerfing Prot paladin threat.

It is not OP in any kind of way, shape or form :3

Kinda wondering this myself to be honest, the other changes don't bother me, but this just confuses me

[Lightfist]

I wonder why they're nerfing Prot paladin threat.

It is not OP in any kind of way, shape or form :3

Hell if I know...I'm usually about 30% above my other tanks, so I'm not too worried...but I'm still upset. Buff the others threat, don't nerf ours =/

[Terradii]

well then u will be 20% ahead..not a problem :P

[Lightfist]

well then u will be 20% ahead..not a problem :P

Bragging rights =(

Oh well, I stack strength and stam gems anyway...so I guess I won't be as hurt. I only lose about 30 SP, which I guess I'd gain back from kings+Horn of Winter.

[Shinen]

Buff the others threat, don't nerf ours =/

HERE, you killed your point. Blizzard has stated millions of times that that's not the way to go. And i agree. If they just buffed, we would be hitting 500000000000000000 right now. Also, if they buff other's threat, they gotta buff player's threat too, or threat won't become a challenge for dps (right now is no that big). So, you preffer them to buff 9 classes, god knows how many specs, than nerf a single spec?

On topic:

It's a quick change to kill protadins before season 7 starts. Probably, they will try to find out a way to not hurt prot tank itself, but that changes are needed right now. About the threat, you can only try it, and see if it's that big nerf (which again i think is not).

[Krekko]

The SoC changes seem pretty nice. I cant wait to test it out.

[Deralte]

+ Touched by the Light: This talent now provides 20/40/60% of the paladin’s strength as spell power instead of 10/20/30% of the paladin’s stamina.

This was needed. Hopefully, this will solve the ProtHealer Problem. But its now basically the same amount as the retreibution talent.

+ Seal of Command: This ability now chains to strike up to 2 additional targets when it is triggered by an attack.

Oh well, maybe i'll use this to tank.

[Lightfist]

HERE, you killed your point. Blizzard has stated millions of times that that's not the way to go. And i agree. If they just buffed, we would be hitting 500000000000000000 right now. Also, if they buff other's threat, they gotta buff player's threat too, or threat won't become a challenge for dps (right now is no that big). So, you preffer them to buff 9 classes, god knows how many specs, than nerf a single spec?

I honestly have no clue what you're talking about...please don't take this as a dickish comment, I honestly have no clue. How exactly is making other tanking classes threat match Paladins a bad idea? Honestly, I think they're already capable, but no one else seems to think so.

I also don't think that watching your threat should be a problem for DPS. It's a tanks job to hold threat, and you can argue about mitigation all you want...if you can't do that properly and allow your DPS to do their best, then you fail and you might as well be dead.

[Zoidie]

I think we should all remember that this is the very first PTR patch so values may change.

The Str change could maybe do with a little tweaking to get it on a par with stamina but i think it's already fairly close. Remeber that you will have raid buff's like shaman str totem's or the DK one, plus king's, much like you get just now with the priest sta buff/kings.

As for the RF change. Pally threat has never been much of an issue so i don't think this will affect anything much. If it does, there is always the 2% threat gloves enchant to prop it back up again.

Overall i think Blizzard are just throwing out some drastic change's then will tweak everything throughout the testing. Afterall, that is what the PTR is for. Get on there and test and give them the info they need if you think it's really that bad


EDIT: Spelling.

[Lightfist]

Get on there and test and give them the info they need if you think it's really that bad

I will once the download completes =P I had to redownload the client as my old one got corrupted or somethin'. But this is just to discuss them so we can submit our opinions in an organized fashion...also, remember, this isn't just a prot thread; Ret paladins feel free to bitch about your lack of a buff! =P

[FoxyPala]

SoC the new trash seal. DS + SoC + 4 mobs = 12 seal procs.

Who else thinks this will be change 1 week before live or on the day it will go live ?

[Shinen]

I honestly have no clue what you're talking about...please don't take this as a dickish comment, I honestly have no clue. How exactly is making other tanking classes threat match Paladins a bad idea? Honestly, I think they're already capable, but no one else seems to think so.

I also don't think that watching your threat should be a problem for DPS. It's a tanks job to hold threat, and you can argue about mitigation all you want...if you can't do that properly and allow your DPS to do their best, then you fail and you might as well be dead.

I honestly have no clue what you're talking about...please don't take this as a dickish comment, I honestly have no clue. How exactly is making other tanking classes threat match Paladins a bad idea? Honestly, I think they're already capable, but no one else seems to think so.

I also don't think that watching your threat should be a problem for DPS. It's a tanks job to hold threat, and you can argue about mitigation all you want...if you can't do that properly and allow your DPS to do their best, then you fail and you might as well be dead.

/facepalm

Whats with your ego? Why do the other tanks have to match paladin's threat? Can't you see that is much more easy to make paladin's match other's tank threat?

Also, yeah, it's one of the tank's job, but DPS should take some care at their threat. Throwing all you have no matter what is not fun. It's fun to watch your threat on hodir, on vezax (if caster)... It's part of the game.

[Zoidie]

Im not quite sure what blizzard's intentions are with SoC this patch actually. All the DPS sheet's point to SoV being king, except on trash where righteousness fairs better. This change just mean's people will use SoC for trash instead of righteousness, which i don't totally get.

[Deleted]

As prot with 3k stam unbuffed, i loose about 200 sp, this with the 10% nerf to threat, we ll loose a bunch of threat, which had nothing to do with protheal...

Also 10sec less on our stun/interrupt, why ? Now that tbtl has been modified it will only hurt prot pve, and not that fucking spec that shouldn t have existed.

[Lightfist]

SoC the new trash seal. DS + SoC + 4 mobs = 12 seal procs.

Who else thinks this will be change 1 week before live or on the day it will go live ?

It will happen on the same day they change Sheath of Light to increase intellect by your agility.

/facepalm

Whats with your ego? Why do the other tanks have to match paladin's threat? Can't you see that is much more easy to make paladin's match other's tank threat?

Also, yeah, it's one of the tank's job, but DPS should take some care at their threat. Throwing all you have no matter what is not fun. It's fun to watch your threat on hodir, on vezax (if caster)... It's part of the game.

Sorry if I have an ego, it's 6:27 here and my writing and tone are a little messed up. As for what you said about "throwing all you have no matter what is not fun," every DPS I've ever talked to disagrees with you completely.

Edit: Fixed typos.

[Zethyr]

Paladins don't do purely holy damage for threat, and the nerf from 190% to 180% roughly works out to a 5.3% nerf in the threat generated from holy damage. I believe Shield of Righteousness also has a static threat component that acts independently of any damage it deals. Pulling numbers out of my arse like any good mmo-champ poster, I would guess that the threat nerf comes down to at most 3-4%.

Doesn't seem all that significant does it?

[Lightfist]

Paladins don't do purely holy damage for threat, and the nerf from 190% to 180% roughly works out to a 5.3% nerf in the threat generated from holy damage. I believe Shield of Righteousness also has a static threat component that acts independently of any damage it deals. Pulling numbers out of my arse like any good mmo-champ poster, I would guess that the threat nerf comes down to at most 3-4%.

Doesn't seem all that significant does it?

Again, man, bragging rights =/

My other tanks are all my friends and I like to BS with them about my threat.