Upcomming ARP nerf.

[mrroboto40]

So, with this upcoming ARP nerf, where does it leave 2H Blood in comparison to DW Frost?

[Azurai]

Wyoming.

[Blasfomy]

Wyoming.

Marry me <3

[Uthre]

OMG OMG OMG I WILL HAVE 1% LESS ARP !! ILL RESPEC FROST OMGGGG

[dannzi]

OMG OMG OMG I WILL HAVE 1% LESS ARP !! ILL RESPEC FROST OMGGGG

spreadsheets show ~4-7% dps loss with the nerf

[Mamut]

Its interesting question so WTB serious ansewrs.

Blood become litttle boring for me but I still use this spec coz its probably the best spec for raiding. But if this will be nerfed maybe I finally become DW frost (I think very fun spec to play).

[bbr]

upcomming

Pervert! :P

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It's barely noticeable as a lot of DK effects are spell damage rather than physical.
It's a bit more noticeable to rogues, but still around about the same in the end.

[Snowulf]

Pervert! :P

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It's barely noticeable as a lot of DK effects are spell damage rather than physical.
It's a bit more noticeable to rogues, but still around about the same in the end.

and mace specced warriors

[Deleted]

Pervert! :P

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It's barely noticeable as a lot of DK effects are spell damage rather than physical.
It's a bit more noticeable to rogues, but still around about the same in the end.

3/4 top damage attacks from blood DK are physical (melee, HS, DS).

[Daehauq]

Of Blood's dps abilities (of overall dmg done) ~70-75% is affected by ArP.

What's the number for Rogues?

[Japper]

I am a little confused atm about the ArP nerf, are they actually nerfing its effectiveness? or are they basically just increasing the amount of ArP needed to be capped, thus not really making much difference all?

What I mean is if you have 100% ArP now, & then reach 100% ArP after 3.2.2 hits, whats the difference apart from the extra rating needed?

[Keyona]

I am a little confused atm about the ArP nerf, are they actually nerfing its effectiveness? or are they basically just increasing the amount of ArP needed to be capped, thus not really making much difference all?

What I mean is if you have 100% ArP now, & then reach 100% ArP after 3.2.2 hits, whats the difference apart from the extra rating needed?

They are decreasing the % of armor penetration you get per point of arp, which in turn means that they are increasing the ammount needed for capping. This makes each point of arp a bit (12%) worse, so if 1 arp was worth 1 str you'll see that 1 arp will now become 0.88 str instead. The dps increase at 100% armor reduction will still be the same it will just cost you more itemization points to get there.

What this will generally mean is that arp is still a good stat, but you will most likely be stacking your "main" stat (str/agi) and going for arp as second stat untill you reach a new value of arp where arp is once again "the best".

[Japper]

They are decreasing the % of armor penetration you get per point of arp, which in turn means that they are increasing the ammount needed for capping. This makes each point of arp a bit (12%) worse, so if 1 arp was worth 1 str you'll see that 1 arp will now become 0.88 str instead. The dps increase at 100% armor reduction will still be the same it will just cost you more itemization points to get there.

What this will generally mean is that arp is still a good stat, but you will most likely be stacking your "main" stat (str/agi) and going for arp as second stat untill you reach a new value of arp where arp is once again "the best".

Thanks a lot for this Keyona, basically what I was looking for was a "Its better to still gem for Str" answer.

Much appreciated.

[Bullshifter]

It's also telling that in the same patch that they're nerfing armor pen, they're finally adding Death Strike to the Sigil of Virulence- most speculation over at EJ points at it as pretty much a wash. In effect, they had to make some changes to Armor Pen, and negated the hit that Blood will take by giving them a new sigil to use. Also makes gem selection a bit more straightforward as Keyona illustrated.

[Aithan]

I am a little confused atm about the ArP nerf, are they actually nerfing its effectiveness? or are they basically just increasing the amount of ArP needed to be capped, thus not really making much difference all?

What I mean is if you have 100% ArP now, & then reach 100% ArP after 3.2.2 hits, whats the difference apart from the extra rating needed?

The difference is that the extra rating you need to be capped could've been STR if they didn't nerf it. Thus resulting in a dps loss.

[Cyphorian]

spreadsheets show ~4-7% dps loss with the nerf

If this is true blood dps will be kinda screwed, but I would not estimate the dps loss to be this high.. and it's highly depandant on which gear you have atm..
Example: if you have around 40% armor penetration, you will end up at 35% (40 x 0.88), the more you have, the more you will notice the nerf etc..

It's still a good stat, but str just got lot more attractive

[Bullshifter]

If this is true blood dps will be kinda screwed, but I would not estimate the dps loss to be this high.. and it's highly depandant on which gear you have atm..
Example: if you have around 40% armor penetration, you will end up at 35% (40 x 0.88), the more you have, the more you will notice the nerf etc..

It's still a good stat, but str just got lot more attractive

And offset and then some (if not by much) by Death Strike's inclusion on the new Sigil.

[BoxofRox]

Kitty DPS got screwed over the hardest in this nerf.

[Munk]

Kitty DPS got screwed over the hardest in this nerf.

Considering our kitty is 1-1.5k ahead of ANY other dps we have of tank and spank fights that dont flat out buff ranged (think general vezax) I dont exactly think its anything to cry over. Druids have had more than there fair share of time in the sun. That said the raid dps loss will not go unnoticed, and that makes me sad.

[BoxofRox]

I do sadly have to agree, though I was thinking of leveling a Feral, since with much shame, my guild has no feral druids. All trees and owls.

Now I gets lower deeps D=

On The Topic of DKs: OH NOES, THE THING THAT I DON'T USE IS GETTING NERFED, RESPEC.

Stop whining, I have like 11% ArP from the shit gear I have and I pull 4-5k. Not a single ulduar piece. L2P or GTFO of my class.