2 v 2 Rogue/Rogue

[Progged]

First of all, let me start by saying I am by no means a great player, but would at least consider myself to be fair since I've been playing this character since release. Both me and my partner are sub rogues with maxed honor gear and 226 mug mains and black knight oh daggers. I personally can't play mut builds for crap, and seriously enjoy shadowstep for being able to get back to my target after a blink, disengage, tstorm, etc...

Generally our strat in 2s is sap a hard target and burn a soft target as fast as possible. We are pretty much stuck 1000-1100 rating. I find it is impossible to roll 2v2 with my rogue and a healer since i can't put out enough damage.

Does anybody have any suggestions what I can do to have a better shot at increasing our winning percentage to at least get some relentless off pieces...

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...maul&n=Trollic

[Clarkis2001]

I'm pretty sure Rogue/Priest is one of the most ridiculous comps in 2s, no?

Also Rogue/Rogue is only good against a select few comps. I used to run Rogue/Warlock and double Rogue would destroy us. However there are many comps double Rogue just won't work against as that is one of the few classes with no healing whatsoever.

I have not seen double Rogue since around 1300 and I got to 1850 (couldn't quite make it to 1900 with my casual arena-ing). Maybe it's possible but as skill and gear gets higher I just don't see how it will work.

As I said I ran Destro Warlock/Rogue up until 1850 and it was pretty easy. I mean we put in time but not ridiculous amounts. Personally Pally/DK and Pally/Warrior just kept owning us due to the number of defensive CDs they have.

So while I'm sure it's fun to play Rogue/Rogue against some teams my advice is to get a Destro Warlock or Priest. Actually the best partner is a Frost Mage. There are so many ways to reset the match with that combo once trinkets/CDs have been blown!

[K4ge]

rogue/priest stopped being top-notch after it was nerfed beginning of s6.
anyway, if you most run rg/rg go mutilate. you don't have a choice. I'm seriuous go respec, we tried that with all kinds of specs and the only way we could keep our mmr at around 2300 was doublebmut

[Alburn]

rogue priest is awesome . It can really kik some ass . WARCRAFTMOVIES.COM learn from the vids .

[K4ge]

rg/priest is decent. not more. any priest would rather get a mage and any rogue would rather... not play 2v2.

[Clarkis2001]

rg/priest is decent. not more. any priest would rather get a mage and any rogue would rather... not play 2v2.

Disagree 100%. IMO Rogue/Priest isn't faceroll and thus people say it's not powerful when if fact it's extremely well equipped for most comps in 2s. And trust me when I say there is certainly NO shortage of Rogues in 2v2. =p

[K4ge]

what rating are you talking about?
the two most popular 2v2 comps (mage/priest and warrior/healer in this case pally) are counters to rogue priest. of course there are still rogues in 2v2, I'm just saying, rogues don't have the beginning s5 mut/arcane oder beginning s6 mut/disc strength anymore. Of course those comps were brutally overpowered, but right now rogue in 2's are very lackluster, especially because in EVERY setup, the rogue gets carried by his partner. This season I've played r/m with 2 mages. One a deadly gladiator 2400-2500 mmr, no problem. Hell, sometimes I died in the first 5 seconds of a match (rogue/feral or rogue/ret) and he would win alone.
Now I play with a horribly skilled/equipped mage and mmr is 1000 points lower.
rogues right now are, well, only there to keep the target in range for the partner to deal damage or, in the case of r/p, to try to kill something with ridiculous offensive support by the disc.

[Icpie]

what rating are you talking about?
the two most popular 2v2 comps (mage/priest and warrior/healer in this case pally) are counters to rogue priest. of course there are still rogues in 2v2, I'm just saying, rogues don't have the beginning s5 mut/arcane oder beginning s6 mut/disc strength anymore. Of course those comps were brutally overpowered, but right now rogue in 2's are very lackluster, especially because in EVERY setup, the rogue gets carried by his partner. This season I've played r/m with 2 mages. One a deadly gladiator 2400-2500 mmr, no problem. Hell, sometimes I died in the first 5 seconds of a match (rogue/feral or rogue/ret) and he would win alone.
Now I play with a horribly skilled/equipped mage and mmr is 1000 points lower.
rogues right now are, well, only there to keep the target in range for the partner to deal damage or, in the case of r/p, to try to kill something with ridiculous offensive support by the disc.

So rogues can't carry anymore?

Anywho, @ the OP. One of you can run sub, the other needs to run mut. Unless both you and your partner's MH weapon damage is over 1200 with a dagger in sub, double sub will not work. (Especially not double hemo sub)

As the mutilate rogue opens up, he should then mutilate once and expose followed by the sub shs ambushing. If it's a disc priest, the mutilate rogue vanishes/garrotes during the ambush to prevent a PS (unless he's already used it in the first second).
So after ambush, the sub rogue Backstabs once then the mut rogue kidneys after a mutilate or two. At this point, either the person trinkets by now, the partner trinkets, or the target you're on dies. (Unless it's double pally or you're on a pally for some reason.) You don't have to keep them locked down with stuns at this point b/c you really can't heal through two rogues beating on you. Be ready to trinket fears or will, or break any CC's to stay on target. One rogue blinds the partner, they should trinket if they haven't already followed by a second blind for around 4-5 secs. This should give you enough time to finish the target off.

Takes practice but these are ideal situations, and I have no idea how well you can pull this off or even react in these situations with your partner.

[K4ge]

Well kinda, I'm just saying a rogue is completely... dependant.
Take the best rogue and stick him with a 2000 rmp and he won't break 2.2k
take the best mage and stick him with a 2000 rmp he they'll go up to 2400

@the tactic: doesn't work against druid or paladin healers which basically eliminates about half the 2v2 comps.

[Icpie]

Well kinda, I'm just saying a rogue is completely... dependant.
Take the best rogue and stick him with a 2000 rmp and he won't break 2.2k
take the best mage and stick him with a 2000 rmp he they'll go up to 2400

@the tactic: doesn't work against druid or paladin healers which basically eliminates about half the 2v2 comps.

b/c pallys r hard to play

For the droods, you can stick on the DPS at first, (unless it's a hunter b/c then you're just boned) blind druid, he'll trinket.(Don't dot or bleed the dps) swap to the druid after trinket (assuming he'll have no hots b/c they're to dumb in the 1-2k brackets) and hopeful kill him. That or lose.

[K4ge]

I'm talking 2.2k+ mmr here, you jsut don't catch druids withouts hots anymore.

[Aryl]

rg/priest is decent. not more. any priest would rather get a mage and any rogue would rather... not play 2v2.

*This*

[eatflesh]

I can see hardcore burst here. 2x ambush, 2x mutilate, 2x enven...Oh wait. Dead. Already? Seriously?

[Defaith]

Seriously, quit WoW.

If you cant reach 1300 atleast your just a failure, even tho ur specc, gear etc. I did Shadowpriest/Restoshaman in S5 when both the classes were the weakest in the game to 2100 rating.

So cmon, just spam hemo and do 2 blinds, it should be enough

[Leenan]

if your going 2 rogues for sure go with both as mut spec. its got better energy management the sub.
Also with the new stuff coming in 3.3 for poisons I think alot of people will be using IP/DP or at least WP/DP.
the rog/rog groups I've ran vs also glyphed tricks of the trade so you both may think on that whatever
spec you both choice on taking.

[Anarchyli]

Don't always assume that the soft target is actually soft, i ran 2v2 with my resto shammy mate who has 850 resil. We faced rogue/rogue, they both targetted my mate of the bat and barely did anything to him, whereas i with less than 200 resil and only 2 piece pvp gear would've been a cakewalk for them.

[K4ge]

I can see hardcore burst here. 2x ambush, 2x mutilate, 2x enven...Oh wait. Dead. Already? Seriously?

lets see, 2k ambush, 2k mutilate and a 1-2 dp stacked envenom critting for say 3-4k
2x that's a whopping 16k damage. great, we got the warrior to 60%, now what? (oh and warriors don't take that much damage from ambush or mutilate)

[Icpie]

I'm talking 2.2k+ mmr here, you jsut don't catch druids withouts hots anymore.

I'm talking to the OP, unless he's 2200+

lets see, 2k ambush, 2k mutilate and a 1-2 dp stacked envenom critting for say 3-4k
2x that's a whopping 16k damage. great, we got the warrior to 60%, now what? (oh and warriors don't take that much damage from ambush or mutilate)

I've ambushed warrs in arenas with shields on for 6k+ with expose on, Mjolnir Runestone proced and passive ArP. (Roughly 86% Armor ignored)

[Shiko]

lol you would be suprised how many druids that get up there doesn't hot themselves but 2x rogues vs a pally are different
on a different note if you force enough dmg out on the dps then the druid will be forced to use NS HT

[K4ge]

first of: as mutilate (which you should be running) you don't want armorpen on gear, expose up or frankly runestone.
second: I don't know a single highrated druid he doesn't run around with enough hots (and barkskin ready +unsappable, so no damage on dps either) to make any simple burst attempt futile.
we play it like this: open full force on the dps, cs+garrote, followed by ks and evi and dismantle. blind the druid of the bat, he should have to use trinket.
reset
do this again and hopefully something dies, but tbh druid or pally healer teams are a hardcounter to doublerogue, as you have no lasting power whatsoever and a failed cloak or vanish from even one of you basically ends the game.