how to fix pvp/make it enjoyable/afk not punishable

[jereminion]

hello arent you sick of pvp? many features are terrible
-unbalanced teams. maybe its 20vs 40 in AV
-1/2 the team is AFK
-people dont know what to do
-if you leave you can join another for 15 minutes
-small battles that end quickly are boring and kinda stupid (2 minute av games after a 50 minutes wait)
-no real cooperation or team work unless its a premade
-no friendships made like they are in WG
-totally unbalanced games give almost no experience compared to the huge amount on the other team

here is what i propose to fix all of these problems.
-first, allow free Xfer/faction changes to realms with low populations of that specific aspect. ends the unbalanced WG and no need for tenacy which doesnt even help at all. low populated servers will still lose with 36%+ HP/dmg.

-then remove all battlegrounds. they are the worst thing this game has to offer. people argue, just farm kills, very unbalanced, AFK farmers, people give up after the first minute.

-put the exactly same battle grounds onto the servers world map. this way the game is more personal. since the battle ground is always there and always being fought, there are no queues you just have to travel there. you can give tenacy to lower level players which balances level 10s with level 80s incase they want to participate

-increase world pvp honor gains. increase the battle ground scales. have repeatable quests for pvp like capturing the flag.

-have world bosses that are based on faction battles similar to the pre TBC bosses. enemies can participate by upgrading their general similar to AV


this way the battles are as large as your server wants them to be. having all the battle grounds separated will reduce lag rather than having everyone at WG lagging the servers. they already had world pvp similar to battle grounds in silithus and terrokar forest

also i believe all pvp gear should be free but that will never happen. PVE gear isnt free because it involves progression. progression in PVP gear is a big sign showing that the best arena player isnt the most skilled, they waste the most time getting the best gear.

[Nezrath]

I'm sorry, but nearly everything you say in this post is extremely contradictory.

[Blada]

You could never balance a lvl 10 against a lvl 80. NEVER. Those are all terrible ideas.

[Lady Mormont]

hello arent you sick of pvp? many features are terrible
-unbalanced teams. maybe its 20vs 40 in AV
-1/2 the team is AFK
-people dont know what to do
-if you leave you can join another for 15 minutes
-small battles that end quickly are boring and kinda stupid (2 minute av games after a 50 minutes wait)
-no real cooperation or team work unless its a premade
-no friendships made like they are in WG
-totally unbalanced games give almost no experience compared to the huge amount on the other team

here is what i propose to fix all of these problems.
-first, allow free Xfer/faction changes to realms with low populations of that specific aspect. ends the unbalanced WG and no need for tenacy which doesnt even help at all. low populated servers will still lose with 36%+ HP/dmg.

-then remove all battlegrounds. they are the worst thing this game has to offer. people argue, just farm kills, very unbalanced, AFK farmers, people give up after the first minute.

-put the exactly same battle grounds onto the servers world map. this way the game is more personal. since the battle ground is always there and always being fought, there are no queues you just have to travel there. you can give tenacy to lower level players which balances level 10s with level 80s incase they want to participate

-increase world pvp honor gains. increase the battle ground scales. have repeatable quests for pvp like capturing the flag.

-have world bosses that are based on faction battles similar to the pre TBC bosses. enemies can participate by upgrading their general similar to AV


this way the battles are as large as your server wants them to be. having all the battle grounds separated will reduce lag rather than having everyone at WG lagging the servers. they already had world pvp similar to battle grounds in silithus and terrokar forest

also i believe all pvp gear should be free but that will never happen. PVE gear isnt free because it involves progression. progression in PVP gear is a big sign showing that the best arena player isnt the most skilled, they waste the most time getting the best gear.

what you've just typed is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[jereminion]

anyone want to put up a counter argument why i am wrong or you just want to say im wrong because youre right?

[Moshy]

what you've just typed is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MRmxfLuNto&NR=1e

Your wrong because your telling your opinion from one side without showing any real indication of having thought about why people do battlegrounds, why they are still in game and why so many are stoked that rated battlegrounds will be heading our way soon.

[Beckers]

-then remove all battlegrounds. they are the worst thing this game has to offer. people argue, just farm kills, very unbalanced, AFK farmers, people give up after the first minute.

I pity your gameplay...

if you dont like battlegounds dont queue and if you give up after 1 min i bet youre not much of a raider either... you sure this is the game for you?

[Siton]

anyone want to put up a counter argument why i am wrong or you just want to say im wrong because youre right?

Stop AFKing in BG's and they'll be more enjoyable.
If deserter would be removed, don't you think more people would leave and forsake the people in the BG that still stands fighting?

Horrible ideas by a slacking person..

[jereminion]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MRmxfLuNto&NR=1e

Your wrong because your telling your opinion from one side without showing any real indication of having thought about why people do battlegrounds, why they are still in game and why so many are stoked that rated battlegrounds will be heading our way soon.

why people do battle grounds? for me it is for experience to level up. after the latest 5 AVs in a row, i have gotten 0 experience. i have tried eye of the storm for the daily but i have been in the queue for an hour because no one on horde is joining the queues for a loss it seems.

i cant speak for other people but it would seem that they would do battlegrounds for honor so they can get arena gear. this is not a balanced system because on unbalanced battle groups, usually one side gets 3x or more of a reward 100% of the time because of constant winning.

the best latest addition to pvp was wintergrasp which is similar to my idea. the latest battle ground was isle of conquest. people that i talk to hate it. the hate all of the battle grounds because we lose them all.

you have to see the situation from other peoples perspective, you likely play a faction that wins all the time and see no problem with that.

Stop AFKing in BG's and they'll be more enjoyable.
If deserter would be removed, don't you think more people would leave and forsake the people in the BG that still stands fighting?

Horrible ideas by a slacking person..

you are telling me that I afk? when did i say that i afk? if not, i should tell those afk people to stop being afk so they can enjoy it? im sure losing every single BG is so much fun. oh wait, now i know why they afk, so they dont have to deal with it.

also, removing deserter debuff would take place because you arent in an instance in world pvp, you just go to a certain area. perhaps you should read the whole post before spouting idiotic assumptions

[Siton]

why people do battle grounds? for me it is for experience to level up. after the latest 5 AVs in a row, i have gotten 0 experience. i have tried eye of the storm for the daily but i have been in the queue for an hour because no one on horde is joining the queues for a loss it seems.

i cant speak for other people but it would seem that they would do battlegrounds for honor so they can get arena gear. this is not a balanced system because on unbalanced battle groups, usually one side gets 3x or more of a reward 100% of the time because of constant winning.

the best latest addition to pvp was wintergrasp which is similar to my idea. the latest battle ground was isle of conquest. people that i talk to hate it. the hate all of the battle grounds because we lose them all.

you have to see the situation from other peoples perspective, you likely play a faction that wins all the time and see no problem with that.

you are telling me that I afk? when did i say that i afk? if not, i should tell those afk people to stop being afk so they can enjoy it? im sure losing every single BG is so much fun. oh wait, now i know why they afk, so they dont have to deal with it.

also, removing deserter debuff would take place because you arent in an instance in world pvp, you just go to a certain area. perhaps you should read the whole post before spouting idiotic assumptions

Done arguing in your thread, you just sound like a real slacker.

[jereminion]

Done arguing in your thread, you just sound like a real slacker.

you are done arguing because you sound like an idiot. idiots assume things. glad you are done contributing garbage to a constructive topic.

[Hardalor]

All I've seen here is "QQ QQ QQ My battlegroup sucks for my faction, so remove BGs because I can't win". ... I lawled.

[Oinkz]

... he only does bgs for leveling... and wants low level players to get tenacity so they equal higher level players... I am just gonna go with the hope that MAYBE this guy has NO 80s and this is partially responsible for his completely ridiculous proposal... I'm sorry dude I don't care what blizzard says about the leveling phase but the REAL game doesn't start till you are 80 so balancing things out for low levels is just plain stupid...

[Tablemaker]

How to make it enjoyable? Simple...

You make every zone into a SS/Tarren type of setup. You then, at random intervals during the day, create a warzone.

Lets use Southshore and Tarren Mill for examples.

When the warzone starts, each town will gain a buff for anyone in its perimeter. The buff will increase any honor gained by 500%.

[jereminion]

... he only does bgs for leveling... and wants low level players to get tenacity so they equal higher level players... I am just gonna go with the hope that MAYBE this guy has NO 80s and this is partially responsible for his completely ridiculous proposal... I'm sorry dude I don't care what blizzard says about the leveling phase but the REAL game doesn't start till you are 80 so balancing things out for low levels is just plain stupid...

many replies are based on assumptions and provide no counter argument. more news at 11...

[Endus]

here is what i propose to fix all of these problems.
-first, allow free Xfer/faction changes to realms with low populations of that specific aspect. ends the unbalanced WG and no need for tenacy which doesnt even help at all. low populated servers will still lose with 36%+ HP/dmg.

Except people don't server transfer "just because" most of the time. That's why the free server transfers don't often fix the issues on that server already.

-then remove all battlegrounds. they are the worst thing this game has to offer. people argue, just farm kills, very unbalanced, AFK farmers, people give up after the first minute.

-put the exactly same battle grounds onto the servers world map. this way the game is more personal. since the battle ground is always there and always being fought, there are no queues you just have to travel there. you can give tenacy to lower level players which balances level 10s with level 80s incase they want to participate

And it's impossible to "win" them, since they're now neverending, plus they're going to be affected by server imbalance which, currently, is mitigated by being in a battlegroup.

-increase world pvp honor gains. increase the battle ground scales. have repeatable quests for pvp like capturing the flag.

They're already doing this, basically, with the revamping of BGs.

this way the battles are as large as your server wants them to be. having all the battle grounds separated will reduce lag rather than having everyone at WG lagging the servers. they already had world pvp similar to battle grounds in silithus and terrokar forest

Everyone would still congregate to WG when it's up. And the problems WG has with lag would now extend to every BG. And again, you've now introduced server population as a factor, since you've removed battlegroups.

also i believe all pvp gear should be free but that will never happen. PVE gear isnt free because it involves progression. progression in PVP gear is a big sign showing that the best arena player isnt the most skilled, they waste the most time getting the best gear.

You are correct that PvP gear is more time-based than skill-based, but that's reason to remove any and all rewards from losers in PvP. If your arena team is less than 50% wins, you get zero arena points this week, for instance. Free gear just devalues it to the point of making it meaningless.

i cant speak for other people but it would seem that they would do battlegrounds for honor so they can get arena gear. this is not a balanced system because on unbalanced battle groups, usually one side gets 3x or more of a reward 100% of the time because of constant winning.

First, honor does not buy you arena-level gear. That's why arena points and rating are separate from BGs.

Second, yes, the winning side gets better rewards. That's why you try and win. You're arguing for communism, where everyone gets the same stuff regardless of their performance. You think some guy sitting there AFK "deserves" the same gear as the best player on your server.

the best latest addition to pvp was wintergrasp which is similar to my idea. the latest battle ground was isle of conquest. people that i talk to hate it. the hate all of the battle grounds because we lose them all.

You hate BGs because you lose? That's an issue of the people you play with, not the battleground system. There's always one winner, and one loser. If you're always losing, that's because the people you're playing with are worse than your opponents.


Your ideas do not make any rational sense, and would only exacerbate the problems you're complaining about. And I think this whole thing stems from your inability to take any responsibility for your own performance. If nobody on your battlegroup uses strategy in BGs, take the reins and be a leader. If you sit there quietly and don't step up, you're part of the problem. Stop asking others to fix your problems, and do it yourself.

You asked for a point-by-point counterargument, there you go.

[Texco]

why people do battle grounds? for me it is for experience to level up. after the latest 5 AVs in a row, i have gotten 0 experience. i have tried eye of the storm for the daily but i have been in the queue for an hour because no one on horde is joining the queues for a loss it seems.

i cant speak for other people but it would seem that they would do battlegrounds for honor so they can get arena gear. this is not a balanced system because on unbalanced battle groups, usually one side gets 3x or more of a reward 100% of the time because of constant winning.

People also do Battlegrounds because they enjoy PvP.

[Thetrollific]

you are done arguing because you sound like an idiot. idiots assume things. glad you are done contributing garbage to a constructive topic.

this is by no means a constructive topic, you rather just said a bunch of contradictory statements that, if they were implemented, would make the pvp in this game even worse

[Nezrath]

All I've seen here is "QQ QQ QQ My battlegroup sucks for my faction, so remove BGs because I can't win". ... I lawled.

Basically this.

If you don't like battlegrounds, don't do them.
They aren't a necessary part of leveling, and hell, they aren't that great for it in the long run anyway.

the hate all of the battle grounds because we lose them all.

So you hate them because you lose?
Losing a battleground in no way means that it is unbalanced. Changing battlegrounds to open-world areas is only going to unbalance them further.
There are many systems in place when joining a battleground that, in theory, will balance them out.
But, regardless of what Blizzard does, balance within battlegrounds is based solely on players.
Pre-80, not even 1/10th of players enter battlegrounds as opposed to at 80, so yes, there are going to be balance issues.
Try actually leveling a character to 80, and playing battlegrounds then.
If you still feel that things are unfair for you, I'd say go and make a post about it... but you already have, and it's full of mindless bullshit, so just keep it to yourself.
Honestly, nobody really cares. You win some, you lose some. Such is life.

[Dedweight]

-then remove all battlegrounds. they are the worst thing this game has to offer. people argue, just farm kills, very unbalanced, AFK farmers, people give up after the first minute.

And Arena's are/were any better than BG's?

I don't pvp much but when I do I honestly prefer the mass chaos that tends to ensue in BG's rather than being thrown in a box and pitted against 2/3/5 other players. If I wanted that I'd go to one of the world pvp arena's and get the same effect.