Warriors and CC

[Deleted]

Well, looks like the new expancion is gonna bring cc back to 5man instances. Whit that do u guys think the dps warriors are gonna be left behind/kicked from groups like they were in TBC?

This ain't qq cause we don't have cc ( talking about polymorph kind off CC)... cause won't make much sense for warriors to have it after all

[ukrainium]

Too many shitty DPS warriors as it stands. Maybe this will make them play better.

[Pantelija]

Ok i am tired posting again and again same thing

In cataclysm dungeons u will need EITHER CC OR INTERRUPT/SILENCE

[Quehn]

Kick the warrior!
EDIT: I play a Death Knight tank now

[Straton]

I don't think it will be that big of an issue unless you're running a group of four warriors and a healer. But that would completely idiotic and I doubt anyone in the right mind would do so.

[_Khasim_]

The only DPS specs who do NOT have CC (I mean CC that is usable against any mob, not specific ones like Turn Evil) are:
Unholy DK
Arms Warrior
Fury Warrior
I didn't count any tank or healing specs, because IMO healing and tanking is more then enough to cover the lack of CC.

So, out of 21 DPS specs in this game, THREE will not have ANY kind of CC.
Unless you want to do dungeons with more than two identical DPS classes with identical specs, I can't see any problems.

[Deleted]

Didn't they say they change intiminating shout so that it affects only 1 target and that would be warriors cc?

[Alianthos]

I dont think groups are going to need 5 classes able to CC... You're probably going to need one class with a very powerful CC : mage, druid, shaman and such. But you are certainly NOT going to need 3, 4 forms of good CC per group. DPS warriors are just going to do the pure PEW PEW role in dungeons (with the occationnal fear, stun, kick...), while classes with good CCs are gonna handle that, and it will be fine.

[kinetiks]

Warriors don't have long duration CC like some classes, but as someone said, yes Intimidating Shout is supposed to be our CC.

We also have Throwdown in Arms. Which I'll probably take even for PVE. Charge Stun, Intercept Stun, Heroic Leap stun?. Don't know if that has a stun. We also have Disarm and Pummel. So even though they're not your sheep it and forget it abilities, they still take some strain off the tank and healer.

[xebtria]

a prot warrior's shield bash is the longest interrupt of all classes. it has a 12 second cooldown and therefore interrupts that school's magic from being cast for 6 seconds.
or however the wording of this is. ;-)

blame me if this was changed (more or less) recently and I missed that. ^^

[Chomag7]

Too many shitty DPS warriors as it stands. Maybe this will make them play better.

Ofcourse. Warrior is a very common class and present in all games, which is only logical that new players would start as a warrior and, surprise, a lot of them suck at it.

[Vainde]

I didn't know that 5 mans require every group member to have CC.
Sarcasm off.
I don't think that Blizzard would allow this to happen with the introduction of the "bring the player, not the class" idea.
Silly thread...

[Astray]

I didn't know that 5 mans require every group member to have CC.

I'd love every dps class to have a nice CC, that increases the chance that at least one of the 3 fools in my group is able to use it correctly.

[Freedom]

There's a new glyph for intimidating shout that prevents the feared target from moving faster while feared, essentially CC'ing them. But it doesn't have a very long duration... and they can still run in to other groups.

[Saverem]

Well, looks like the new expancion is gonna bring cc back to 5man instances. Whit that do u guys think the dps warriors are gonna be left behind/kicked from groups like they were in TBC?

This ain't qq cause we don't have cc ( talking about polymorph kind off CC)... cause won't make much sense for warriors to have it after all

I read they plan on changing Intim. Shout into a Repentance type ability, giving them the CC they need. But even if they don't get a CC, they won't be getting kicked unless the other 2 DPS are also Warriors (which won't happen). Because Warriors might be the only class in the game with out a CC which means that which ever other class they group with will be able to CC, making it unnecessary for the Warrior to be able to CC as well.



At annnny rate, it doesn't concern my Warrior because he's a tank all the way.

[Ringthane]

a prot warrior's shield bash is the longest interrupt of all classes. it has a 12 second cooldown and therefore interrupts that school's magic from being cast for 6 seconds.
or however the wording of this is. ;-)

blame me if this was changed (more or less) recently and I missed that. ^^

This is indeed true. But I believe everyone else is talking about arms and fury warriors, who wouldn't be wearing a shield, and therefore wouldn't be able to use Shield Bash.

[Deleted]

The only DPS specs who do NOT have CC (I mean CC that is usable against any mob, not specific ones like Turn Evil) are:
Unholy DK
Arms Warrior
Fury Warrior

So, out of 21 DPS specs in this game, THREE will not have ANY kind of CC.

Arms and Fury both got a Fear in Intimidating Shout. That's a CC mechanic.
Unholy DKs lost chains of Ice? Death Grip too?

So out of the 21 DPS specs, 21 will have some kind of Crowd Control. Maybe not the Polymorph/Sap kind of CC, but still a kind of CC...

[Dark_Widget]

well.. why would u be? :S the only classes that got "real CC" are the pure DPSers (lock mage and rogue), and im sure there'll still be ret palas and shammys etc etc in the grps :P

[Devlin1991]

Even glyphed Intimidating shout is a complete NO NO In 2/3 of the 85 dungeons. Apart from HoO most of the packs are within a stones throw of another so Fearing 5mobs pretty much guarantees you pulling 2 more packs. They need to make fear have mobs run at 20% speed when glyphed and full speed when not, same applys to locks fear. Warriors are still having big problems with 5-6 mob packs, If I single target the kill order Thunderclap with rend is not enough to keep the other mobs off the healer, If I aoe the packs with cleave and Thunderclap on CD My single target threat takes a decent nose dive.

A lot of the time I will charge into a pack, shockwave,rend,thuderclap,Demo shout, then start single targeting, ANY mob that shockwave does not hit will run to healer, making us very very crappy aoe tanks just like we have been all through Wotlk even after the buffs.

[xebtria]

Arms and Fury both got a Fear in Intimidating Shout. That's a CC mechanic.
Unholy DKs lost chains of Ice? Death Grip too?

So out of the 21 DPS specs, 21 will have some kind of Crowd Control. Maybe not the Polymorph/Sap kind of CC, but still a kind of CC...

considering a 8 second "cower in fear" with a 2 minute cooldown as crowd control is just ridiculous.
considering chains of ice which has no other restriction than the movement speed as crowd control is just ridiculous, too. if at all it's a CC vs melee mobs - but it also "CCs" the deathknight itself, because he cant do anything else than kiting the mob around while the rest of the group is taking care of the rest of whatever they're figthing.