Cataclysm heroic damage = Ridiculous.

[Cowpunch]

Hey gang.

I've got a few premades on beta atm, and I just did a few random heroics on my recently copied Retadin.

I noticed 2 major things.

1) The damage is absolutely ridiculous. Mobs were hitting for almsot 60% of my hp (89k). The tank would almost get 2 hit in any scenario. Don't get me started on bosses.

2) Healers going oom in literally 12 seconds. They have to use the fast very expensive heal to keep the tanks alive due to the overwhelming damage.

That's pretty much it. I've attempted at least 50+ heroics and not once have I downed a boss due to tanks dying in a healcast or healers going oom faster than i can get a full rotation off.

Not happy at all.

[Greevir]

Well, the premades gear is actually not that great on top of the fact that you get ppl who make a premade for a class they have no clue how to play. I've seen some heroics where ppl have not used pre-mades and had a fairly successful run. Plus, they are not completely tuned yet. Give it time, they will be challenging, but not impossible.

[Deleted]

ever tougth of its BETA and i have seen plenty of vids where ppl clear heroics... its mostly about what kind of player u are .. tbh i guess most ppl u played whit started in WOTLK where CC and kiting was NON existent.. now its once again a impornat aspect of the game and ppl need to learn it... also like i said its beta so its not porpperly balanced with numbers yet!

[Raugnaut]

Did the group use CC? were de/buffs dispelled? spells interupted?

If the answer is no to any of these, then depending on the composition, the groups you are in AND possibly yourself need to L2playcata

[Terkis]

Well, can't say Cynical Brit didn't ask for it.

It's gonna be like TBC: First, everything will be "OH MY GOSH NIGHTMARE" and "Let's only bring x class to tank and z class to heal because they are the best, and only y class to DPS because they have CC and are ranged"

Then, stuff gets nerfed. But people are still paranoid as fuck.

Edit: As a side note, I'd LOVE to finally get to use sap, picklock and disarm trap again. I got a taste of it in ICC after a very long time, and I want rogues to be that utility class that can give you a shortcut or stealth route through stuff again. (Deadmines)

[Will]

i think you're exaggerating. There has been numerous material including videos done by other groups who seem to be completing these heroics successfully, so you are most likely extremely unlucky with the groups you're getting. In any case, I am LIKING what i'm reading. Can't wait to try these heroics out myself!

Healers going oom in 12 seconds? Can any other forum goers who have healed on beta confirm this? Or perhaps it's a mana conservation/reclamation error on the healers part? Or a cooldown usage problem on the tanks?

Oh and it only makes sense that a mob hits you for near 60% health - you're a DPS. Don't pull aggro - it must be taught! Just think how it will feel once you down a boss

[Emaluri]

Use CC. If your tank is taking that much damage, you're not dealing with incoming damage appropriately.

Use more CC, less tank damage, less healer mana being burned. All problems solved. Also, as DPS, you SHOULD be taking ridiculous amounts of damage for pulling threat and getting hit or standing in various types of fires.

[Nordal]

You mean you have to use CC and ret paladins and kitty druids can't just run around pulling all the aggro off of everything and breaking sheep?

Madness. Alert the president, he will put a stop to this atrocity.

[Grimbold21]

Things are alrdy being nerfed. They wont be anywhere near TBC lvl. Only Grim batol and Stonecore might reach a bit of what that was. As for the rest, after a few months, they'll be facerolled like the wotlk ones were early one...disapointing isnt it?

[Terkis]

Things are alrdy being nerfed. They wont be anywhere near TBC lvl. Only Grim batol and Stonecore might reach a bit of what that was. As for the rest, after a few months, they'll be facerolled like the wotlk ones were early one...disapointing isnt it?

Oh

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:,(

[Negrido]

Good. A hard mode should be hard.

[remial7767]

Agreed with what Emaluri said....Use cc...ive tanked, dps, and healed on beta...and the what you are describing does not happen...at least with groups that know what they are doing. Yes mobs hit hard...my tank is just over 100k life and gets hit anywhere from 10k-30ish depending on if its a boss or a mob. CC is a godsend, as is knowing when to use CDs to mitigate damage (ALL CLASSES should know this...not just tanks).

[Destram]

Well first of all they still need some minor fine tuning, but other than that maybe it's because you are all severely undergeared? Imagine you're playing burning crusade and 5 of you just hit 70 and you're in quest greens/blues and you guys decide to take on heroic shadow labs or heroic shattered halls or heroic arc or heroic sethekk or heroic mana tombs. You get the point? This is the way heroics are now, the right way.

[Grimbold21]

Oh

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:,(

You actually thought we were gonna get 5 man content of TBC's lvl? :P

Do you know what that would mean? Endless pugs wiping and crying because they cant tell their left from their right.

[Snekilito]

This is what the Hardcorewowers wanted, wipe after wipe in a 1 hour dungeon!

[Pdiamond]

I hope it stays about the same. Of course on live I will expect people to actually know their class.

[Cowpunch]

Hardmode? brb 2 hitting EVERYTHING.
Oh wait healers oom.

Yep, hardmode.

[bahumut5]

Well, I have done some Heroics as well (As a Shaman Healer), and I must say that this is exciting.
Deadmines Heroic took us 3 hours, but we did manage to kill every boss (Including Vanessa, who's an optional boss availible after you clear a Gauntlet).
Hard?
Yes.
Impossible?
Hell no.

The mana problems are solved by choosing the right specc to regain mana.
Almost every healer now has some sort of attack that returns mana to the caster. In my case, this is Lightning Bolt.
Of course, with 7k damage per hit, it might not be a lot. But regaining 40-50% mana that way is worth it. Whenever possible, try to get a hit on the boss.
Also, if the Healer goes OOM withing 12 seconds, than something is going horribly wrong in your group.
If I cast my biggest heal non-stop, I would at least last for 30-50 seconds.
I usually just Heal -> Damage -> Heal -> Damage -> Heal -> Damage (crap, boss uses a special ability) -> Riptide -> 2X Heal -> Damage

However, saying that Heroics is impossibly because you ran them 50 times (which I think you honestly didn't) doesn't mean they are actually impossible. Maybe you were downright unlucky?

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Hey gang.

I've got a few premades on beta atm, and I just did a few random heroics on my recently copied Retadin.

I noticed 2 major things.

1) The damage is absolutely ridiculous. Mobs were hitting for almsot 60% of my hp (89k). The tank would almost get 2 hit in any scenario. Don't get me started on bosses.

2) Healers going oom in literally 12 seconds. They have to use the fast very expensive heal to keep the tanks alive due to the overwhelming damage.

That's pretty much it. I've attempted at least 50+ heroics and not once have I downed a boss due to tanks dying in a healcast or healers going oom faster than i can get a full rotation off.

Not happy at all.

1st of all, CC exist for one reason.
2nd, healers shouldn't have problems if DPS knew how to miigate damages and CC.
3rd, tanks should use their CDs on boss and know the fights.

Did you ever tried TBC instances and heroics? If no, then I understand why you're QQing. Easyotlk is done.

[Gavalin]

The required Ilevel for your character to do heroics needs to be 333. Premades if I remember correctly start off with all greens yeah?