BM hunters and mastery?

[Deleted]

Hi fellas, im a BM hunter that just love to play BM. Even thou it seems to be the weakest spec atm

My question:
how good is mastery for bm hunters? and what order do you rank stats? my impression is:

Hit-->agi-->mastery-->haste-->crit

So basicly what i have been doing is reforging all my critrating into mastery (making sure that im hitcapped first oc)

Is that right? or have i been misinformed. Any other suggestions and hints would be great

cheers guys!

[Indiglo]

Sounds about right, not real sure why you would want to play BM in the first place though :|

[Zorgen]

I play MM/BM and its the same stats whatever spec you are. Beast Master is actually doing pretty well right now.

You have the stats down right though, step 1 get hit capped then get mastery second. All your gems will be agi/haste.

[styopa]

BM's not massively worse than MM.

Certainly if you're in a regular 5-man group without a shaman (or 85 mage), a BM hunter with a core hound's Ancient Hysteria can be a pretty decent dps upgrade for the whole group. Plus with the hunter's ability to freely swap out pets for the 'right' missing buff, BM isn't the highest dps but can bring big utility.

[glo]

According to the spreadsheets, MM is the worst in terms of DPS at the moment.

There is no real need to go MM unless your raid needs the 10% buff.

[Thiron]

Is haste really better than crit for BM though? We have 3-4 crit-based talents in typical build - Killing Streak, Invigoration, GFTT and (maybe) Sic'em...

[glo]

Is haste really better than crit for BM though? We have 3-4 crit-based talents in typical build - Killing Streak, Invigoration, GFTT and (maybe) Sic'em...

More haste = faster focus regen through cobra shot. I believe that's why it's valued so well now.

[OohLaLa]

Mmm...in regards to mastery being best, I've actually read something different. I follow Frostheim's WHU. His most recent hunter reforging guide said mastery is actually BM's worst stat, with crit being our best. I can't post links yet, but on Warcraft Hunter's Union you can find the hunter reforging guide. Not to say his guides are absolute or anything, but he does know his stuff. What guides recommend mastery for BM?

[harky]

BM's not massively worse than MM.

No. SV > BM > MM. Marks is the worst DPS spec at the moment. BM and Marks are very close together, but both are quite far behind SV.

On topic: Mastery is great for Marks, decent for SV and mediocre for BM. BM is the only spec that actually wants Crit gear.

[georgevonfranken]

Mmm...in regards to mastery being best, I've actually read something different. I follow Frostheim's WHU. His most recent hunter reforging guide said mastery is actually BM's worst stat, with crit being our best. I can't post links yet, but on Warcraft Hunter's Union you can find the hunter reforging guide. Not to say his guides are absolute or anything, but he does know his stuff. What guides recommend mastery for BM?

http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/...uide-level-85/

[3clipse]

George Haste is about half as good as Mastery for SV hunters right now if you play around in femaledwarf. Comes out to Crit being slightly better than Mastery and Haste being quite bad.

Basically, reforge haste to crit or mastery depending on which isn't on the gear.


EDIT: Confirmed on femaledwarf, Crit was about 0.57 DPS/point, Mastery 0.4/point, Haste 0.17/point with my current gear (which is only iLvl331, admittedly not fantastic xD).

[georgevonfranken]

George Haste is about half as good as Mastery for SV hunters right now if you play around in femaledwarf. Comes out to Crit being slightly better than Mastery and Haste being quite bad.

Basically, reforge haste to crit or mastery depending on which isn't on the gear.


EDIT: Confirmed on femaledwarf, Crit was about 0.57 DPS/point, Mastery 0.4/point, Haste 0.17/point with my current gear (which is only iLvl331, admittedly not fantastic xD).

Sorry i only play bm because is my by far most enjoyable spec i was just copy pasting what frost posted. Didn't know his info is out of date or just done wrong

[3clipse]

What's most hilarious is that Agility is about 5x better per point than all the secondary stats. Basically, never gem for socket bonuses anymore unless it's like 2 red sockets/yellow socket with a +20 agi socket bonus.

[georgevonfranken]

What's most hilarious is that Agility is about 5x better per point than all the secondary stats. Basically, never gem for socket bonuses anymore unless it's like 2 red sockets/yellow socket with a +20 agi socket bonus.

hmmm 5x more you say? that makes me wonder if http://www.wowhead.com/item=56427 would be good having the expertise reforged. along with http://www.wowhead.com/item=56328. can some1 spreadsheet for me? Im at work

[3clipse]

Yeah I had agi giving me ~2.2 DPS per point, closest was crit at 0.57 DPS per point.

Agi is actually better than Hit rating xD

[georgevonfranken]

Yeah I had agi giving me ~2.2 DPS per point, closest was crit at 0.57 DPS per point.

Agi is actually better than Hit rating xD

Are you hit capped or close to cap?

[3clipse]

Close to hit cap, yeah. I know that's why it's giving me that. Just found it funny.

[Ken_Silver]

Okay... so just to clear this up, because I'll be going with Beast Mastery Spec no matter how low their DPS ends up compared to MM and SV; the new "Stat Priority" is:

Hit-->Agility-->Crit-->Mastery-->Haste (?)

Just want to make sure. Also, this seems like a good place to ask: Recommend top 5 pets would/should be:

Cat/Spirit Beast - Agility/Strength Buff; Heals (Spirit Beast Only)
Wolf/Devilsaur - 5% Crit chance, Healing Debuff (Devilsaur Only)
Shale Spider - 5% All Stats Buff, Emergency tanking (1 tenacity pet around seems like a good idea to me)
Sithilid - Stamina Buff (Good for when there's no Priest around)
CoreHound - Heroism/Bloodlust Buff

I would say that not every pet would have to be a massive DPS increase because utility in a raid is good. The Spirit beast can save the healer a heal on a DPS or yourself and I've personally have had my rhino save a few groups from wiped. This was in Wrath dungeons though. Maybe not so much in Cata dungeons.

I hope those ideas of mine help the community out a bit. That and I want to know if I got the priority right on the stats.

[harky]

Shale Spider isn't very useful in my eyes. I'd rather bring a Raptor for the armor debuff. Missing both a Paladin and Druid isn't likely. If it's for 5 mans then I'd bring a Chimera so you're not totally useless on AOE packs. Your pet might be able to 'off tank' in the neighborhood of 2-5 seconds, so I wouldn't put much faith in that... Spirit Beast should definitely be taken as the best 'all-around' pet. The heal does indeed help even if all other buffs are supplied and it supplies the best buff for you if it's missing.

Stat priority for BM is: Agi -> Hit (to cap) -> Crit -> Haste -> Mastery

SV and MM priorities are a bit hazy, but BM's is pretty solid overall. As BM I wouldn't reforge Crit/Haste at all unless I need it for hit cap. Reforge Mastery to Hit where possible to cap. Reforge Mastery and Hit to Crit if over the hit cap.

[Deleted]

Ken_silver, the 5 pets i bring along is Cat/spiritbeat-->core hound-->Wolf/devilsaur-->Raptor-->the 5th is really a personal choice, but shale spider (and any other tankpet) is out of the question. its to much of a dps loss for yourself as beast if you bring a tankpet. Right now im using a fox as my 5th pet, but a silithid is a good chioce aswell.

cheers