Does World of Warcraft suck?

[The Jackal]

Disclaimer: This is an article written a few years ago by someone. I thought to post it here since Rift has started. I have seen nearly in almost every thread one person compare it to wow. People running around screaming "RIFT is a wow clone!" and complete bashing senseless of other games despite the facts. In the article written below by another author you can see that Warcraft did indeed rip off everquest. Therefore Warcraft is an ever quest clone.

Secondly, my paper of game informer just arrived. They talk about World of Warcraft and everquest. In it the article admits, everquest was a very hardcore game. What Warcraft did is remove all the bad penalty like dying and having to run back to your back and put it to a 30 second wait. They also made the game very easy for players which in turn why it was made so popular. For the people who bash every game that isn't warcraft.

I am not saying personally that Warcraft sucks. I am just saying it's possible for another mmo to rival wow that is NOT a wow clone. Also this paper should prove that nothing is a wow clone, if anything it's an everquest clone. Happy reading.



First off, I want to say that I don't hate this game. I acknowledge that it is an extremely polished and accessible game. I also accept that it is almost solely responsible for the wave of MMOs (Massively Multiplayer Online games) that have followed. I myself have put over three years into the game. I love Blizzard and believe that every game they make is amazing. My problem is that so many people think this is the greatest game of all time and refuse to look at anything else.

The people that annoy me the most are the ones that look at any new MMO and say, "They just copied World of Warcraft." I hate to break it to everyone, but WoW just copied Asheron's Call, who in turn copied Everquest. These games are nearly identical. Blizzard just put it's renown level of polish on WoW. So, yes, all these new games did copy someone. They copied Everquest. WoW has done nothing to deserve that kind of praise.

The second group of people that ruin the game are the ones that take the game way too seriously. I just don't understand these people that get bent out of shape over a game. A perfect example of this would be the, now infamous, Leroy Jenkins incident (look it up on YouTube if you haven't seen it). Those types of players turned the game into a science and hate people that don't know exactly what they are doing. I can't relax and enjoy the game when in a group with people like that. I recall one night my room mate and I were going through an instance with some of our guild members.

We were there so that our enchanters could get weapons to disenchant for supplies. Neither me nor my room mate did enchanting so we were getting nothing out of being there, other than the enjoyment of playing. One of the guys in our group needed a sword that we found because it was better than the one he had. Another guy in the group flipped out because the first guy (for some reason) wasn't supposed to take it. He started yelling and ended up quiting our guild. All over a sword that he wanted to turn into a pile of dust and a guild mate that would put the weapon to much better use.

The game has been out for almost four years and they haven't done anything new. When I first got to the Outlands (the new land added in the expansion) I told my room mate that if I have to go on another boar hunting quest, I was quitting the game. Sure enough, within a couple of quest, I had to collect twelve samples of boar blood. To make matters worse, only about one in five boars had a sample on them. How the hell does a boar have no blood on them? Nearly every single quest in the game is a repeat of a previous quest and most have a ridiculously frustrating drop rate on quest items. If they want the quest to take a while, make us collect thirty of the item. Don't make us kill ten enemies before we get one.

The PvP setup is one of the dumbest I have come across. If you attack an enemy player, you are stuck in PvP mode for ten minutes. During this time, every level seventy in the area begins hunting you down. Every single time I turned PvP, I was killed within minutes by someone ten or more levels higher than me. For fair fights, the game rewards you with Honor Points. This behavior could be discouraged by subtracting Honor for kills that are completely unfair. Let's face it, nothing is less honorable than killing someone that has no chance of defending themselves against you.

The end game content is 95% pointless. Since your level is usually maxed out at this point, you get no more experience and items are the only reason for going anywhere. Nothing can be accomplished by yourself or with a small group of friends. Any item worth getting requires you to join a 25 man raid and go into an instance. This many people getting organized can mean standing around and waiting for a couple of hours. The worthwhile items are only dropped by the bosses and many times they won't be any use to your character. If they do drop something you need, you have to perform a luck roll against any of the other 25 people that might need it. If you don't win the roll, the entire instance was a complete waste of time. The odds of getting the item you want and winning the roll are so slim that you may have to go into the same instance ten or more times to even have a chance, each time becoming more and more frustrating. To make matters worse, Blizzard has announced another expansion that will contain new items which will make all the items that players have fought so hard for obsolete.

Like I said before, I do not hate the game. I will probably start playing again when the new expansion comes out. I just hate the people that criticize a game that has ideas similar to WoW and then turn around and talk bad about another game for not being like it. I also wish developers would stop carrying over dumb ideas just because Warcraft does it. I am not upset with Blizzard making the game. They have done everything they could to make it successful, and for that I commend them. My problem is with the people that have put it so high on a pedestal that it could never be as good as they make it out to be. Once everyone realizes that WoW is not the only game in town worth playing, the entire PC gaming community will be better off.

[mordale]

reading through i found many of your points outright false and fictitious.
for example:"The end game content is 95% pointless. Since your level is usually maxed out at this point, you get no more experience and items are the only reason for going anywhere. Nothing can be accomplished by yourself or with a small group of friends. Any item worth getting requires you to join a 25 man raid and go into an instance. This many people getting organized can mean standing around and waiting for a couple of hours".
there are these things called 10man raids, and there are these things called loot systems.

going back over your posts its rather clear you do indeed hate WoW and have been hyping rift on these forums since your account started.

[Deleted]

reading through i found many of your points outright false and fictitious.
for example:"The end game content is 95% pointless. Since your level is usually maxed out at this point, you get no more experience and items are the only reason for going anywhere. Nothing can be accomplished by yourself or with a small group of friends. Any item worth getting requires you to join a 25 man raid and go into an instance. This many people getting organized can mean standing around and waiting for a couple of hours".
there are these things called 10man raids, and there are these things called loot systems.

The 10-man raids still have the same problem, that it might be a complete waste of time just because it isn't your lucky day. Also :

Disclaimer: This is an article written a few years ago by someone.

Thus, this is not his/hers text so why are you stating that you found many of his/hers points outright false and fictitious since they aren't his/hers :P
Edit : And I do quite agree with this text. There's hardly anything to do in the game once you've reached level cap except than raiding/pvp'ing or leveling new alts.
The raids are mostly the same, with just different bosses, pvp is somewhat horrible due to class imbalance. Then again, I've started to grow bored of WoW so might just be me.

[erebusman]

outdated incorrect opinion piece is = outdated and incorrect

The end game content is 95% pointless.

For the writer not me.

The game has been out for almost four years and they haven't done anything new

Saying that a core quest mechanic continues to be used is not the same as saying nothing new was added. New models, new zones, new levels, new monsters, new races, new quests, new armor, new enchants, new weapons, new gems, new professions, new new new new.

Any item worth getting requires you to join a 25 man raid and go into an instance.

clearly no longer true both from perspective of 10 mans and crafted gear and rep gear and pvp gear...

The PvP setup is one of the dumbest I have come across.

Well true but his examples show his inability to comprehend you can wait off your flag while dead if your getting camped. Take a bio break and come back the gank-fest is over.

I could go on - but I wont

[mordale]

i withdraw my apparent error in not reading the first 5 words, and the statement of the information withdrawn from that.

but maintain the statement of the original poster's sincerity.

[Lancer]

If you think the game sucks quit paying and look for another mmo...not like someone is forcing you to pay 15$ a month to Blizzard.
Personally I'm having a blast with WoW at the moment.

[The Jackal]

reading through i found many of your points outright false and fictitious.
for example:"The end game content is 95% pointless. Since your level is usually maxed out at this point, you get no more experience and items are the only reason for going anywhere. Nothing can be accomplished by yourself or with a small group of friends. Any item worth getting requires you to join a 25 man raid and go into an instance. This many people getting organized can mean standing around and waiting for a couple of hours".
there are these things called 10man raids, and there are these things called loot systems.

going back over your posts its rather clear you do indeed hate WoW and have been hyping rift on these forums since your account started.

I invite you to look at the disclaimer in the top. ...I did not write this. To complain to me about what the author thinks is indeed pointless. This thread was to show proof that any new mmo since everquest is not a wow clone. And also I am entitled to my own opinion about which game to "hype up" just because I'm not hypying up world of warcraft.

Does not mean I dislike it. I am simply bored of it, having played warcraft and both everquest. Honestly it doesn't matter if I hype up rune scape this hostile attack on anyone who doesn't like wow or praise another game is getting just a tad out of control. Once again I didn't write the article it was written by someone else who's like I will provide.

http://gamefury.blogspot.com/2008/01...aft-sucks.html

[wolfpaq777]

The author of that article would have loved wotlk, but probably hates cataclysm.

In general, it didn't strike me as a well written article. Yes, we get the point, mmo's follow a predictable structure. That's why you should spend your money on games that go out of their way to break that mold, such as gw 2 =)

[mordale]

I invite you to look at the disclaimer in the top. ...I did not write this. To complain to me about what the author thinks is indeed pointless. This thread was to show proof that any new mmo since everquest is not a wow clone. And also I am entitled to my own opinion about which game to "hype up" just because I'm not hypying up world of warcraft.

Does not mean I dislike it. I am simply bored of it, having played warcraft and both everquest. Honestly it doesn't matter if I hype up rune scape this hostile attack on anyone who doesn't like wow or praise another game is getting just a tad out of control. Once again I didn't write the article it was written by someone else who's like I will provide.

http://gamefury.blogspot.com/2008/01...aft-sucks.html

if you had not noticed prior to your response i already noticed and addressed my error in a separate post.

and anyone who actually knows WoW knows that its major devs used to play everquest and reached rather high acclaim within it, while yes they took much from everquest they also changed alot you'd have to be blind to not notice or ignorant to not know.

also you are well within your rights to have an opiniton on which game you prefer, i do take issue with people standing on soap boxes forcing it down other's mouths.
me i loved brutal legend and believe anyone who disliked it is a blind fool, doesn't mean i should go around shouting it into people's ears.

now don't take this personal, beyond my already made statement stating i doubting your sincerity, its more the fact that since the beta started there have been a cluster-fuck of rift threads that should of been kept to only a few.

[scandalis]

12 million players worldwide (give or take) must all be wrong


So many MMO's wanted to be the WoW killer and Rift im sure is just another one that will not rise to the occasion

[Silenius]

every mmo in this same ui setup is a clone to Ultima Online. so quit thinking WoW was the first mmo to hit the world. blizzfag fanboys over here going to cream there pants because 90% of them act like they played in vanilla but only remember LICH KING for some odd reason. get out of here, this game is filled with whiners.

Wow, so angry. -llDemonll

Wow, so caring. -llSileniusll

[phoenixbow]

I miss Ultima Online. The original Ultima Online, not what it became.

[Deleted]

How the hell does a boar have no blood on them?

Exactly.

To people not liking the topic's opinion and pretending it is wrong, get a life, the people that "take wow too seriously" are you in fact.

[Deleted]

If they do drop something you need, you have to perform a luck roll against any of the other 25 people that might need it. If you don't win the roll, the entire instance was a complete waste of time. The odds of getting the item you want and winning the roll are so slim that you may have to go into the same instance ten or more times to even have a chance, each time becoming more and more frustrating. To make matters worse, Blizzard has announced another expansion that will contain new items which will make all the items that players have fought so hard for obsolete.

It seems that the author is more interested in purple pixels than in the whole game.

[Noomz]

This game is, as Yatzee put it, all about getting bigger numbers then everyone else. Yes, it is utterly pointless in essence. But for me, it's about the experience of the game world as I level and roleplay, and I love finding new good-looking items or partaking in great lore events and so on.
Raiders like to achieve unison with a group of friends, they like the challenge of encounters and the reward of progress.
PvP:ers like the challenge of facing other players, having some person on person combat that is truly dynamic.

Atleast that's how it looks from my point of view.

---------- Post added 2011-01-28 at 08:40 PM ----------

Exactly.

To people not liking the topic's opinion and pretending it is wrong, get a life, the people that "take wow too seriously" are you in fact.

Don't you think hating on a game is taking it too seriously too? Asking people to get a life really sets the bar for how you express your opinion.

[The Jackal]

if you had not noticed prior to your response i already noticed and addressed my error in a separate post.

and anyone who actually knows WoW knows that its major devs used to play everquest and reached rather high acclaim within it, while yes they took much from everquest they also changed alot you'd have to be blind to not notice or ignorant to not know.

also you are well within your rights to have an opiniton on which game you prefer, i do take issue with people standing on soap boxes forcing it down other's mouths.
me i loved brutal legend and believe anyone who disliked it is a blind fool, doesn't mean i should go around shouting it into people's ears.

now don't take this personal, beyond my already made statement stating i doubting your sincerity, its more the fact that since the beta started there have been a cluster-fuck of rift threads that should of been kept to only a few.

This is the last response I will have with you. Beause I can tell your temper is already flaring.

1.) You wrote a post and then edited once you actually read the submission rather then skim through it. While you were editing. I was already replying to your post and I had not noticed you edited until now.

2.) Shouting it in people's ears? every time there is a rift thread, swtor mmo thread. There are at least five people screaming about world of warcraft. It doesn't matter what game is up for review. People will blast the game without any sense of direction and claim it "Wow clone!" "This game will fail" that's what I call shouting it in people's ears and shoving it down their throat.

Yes, your right Warcraft took the model of everquest system and put their own little spin on it. Isn't that exactly what Rift is doing so what iss the difference? And to respond to your cluster-fuck of rift thread in your opinion . Does other video games that exist and people speak about it irate you so much, or just because so many threads on it? a small portion of the website we can actually discuss other games the rest even the home page promotes nearly daily updates about warcraft

In MMO champion there are dozens of different sections for people to talk about each class of warcraft, pvp, pve and guild. There is only a small portion of the website to actually speak about other games. I'm sorry if this offends you that so many people have an opinion frankly warcraft had 7 long nine years to shine in the sun. And this is the video game discussion thread.

I'm sensing a hate and hostile response from you on anyone who doesn't make wow threads and praise it. I could do that very same thing but after 7 years of dungeons, grind, get new gear and repeat. Nothing really new to add to it. In fact I praise games that could be a rival to Warcraft. Ya know why? a while back ago WWF and WCW were rivals on "Monday Night War"

Each company was trying to outdo the other one in hopes of getting better ratings. Meaning they were placing high quality matches you only really see on PPV's after paying forty dollars on free cable TV. Rivals is good and healthy, it pushes the devs of each game to become better then what they are. However now WCW is no longer here. WWE doesn't have to try so hard and I think that's current state of Warcraft

[Fogkin]

Eh, whoever wrote that article must of been a baddie.... lol

but for real, who plays this game not to do end game content or pvp? I mean, if there were no raids, arenas or BGs I know I wouldn't be playing this game. Maybe the guy who wrote the article were one of the people who QQ'd to blizz so much that they added the free epics in LK...

if you don't like the game don't play it. I didn't like Aion, so i quit playing it. I don't go around bashing the game.

[hambonee]

The article that the OP posted(though not his) feels full of truth to me. WoW has become so pointless in my book. Maybe after years of the same old same old I am done.

Sure, they change the looks or add a few mechanics or areas but in truth it's all the same same.

Right now on my two 85s I basically sit around and gather herbs and leather to get ready for my one night of raiding a week. Once I am done with the raid I jump off and run. More a task than anything. So yes, I am quitting the game for a bit...and so have at least 5 other people in my guild.

Cata enjoyed a burst in the beginning as it was something supposedly new. Now everyone is realizing what they got and seeing it is more a tweaking of old than anything new. Same festival events, same crappy balance pvp, etc...

Has anyone done it better? That is up to debate. As the original article stats Blizz won by making the game more accessable to casual players and removing the penalites and such of EQ. No evil corpse runs, instanced encounters, etc...

However, everything gets old and WOW is that way now. I don't think I will play rifts...it looks too mch like more of the same but not bashing it..sure it is a good game. Playing DCUO now and that is a nice change. Real truth is I am hanging out for Star Wars. I hope that is well done enough to hold my attention as long as EQ and WOW did. We'll see.

To sum it up, nothing will kill WOW except itself. It is doing that now by providing nothing truely original past the last couple of expansions. Flame and argue away....just an opinion. WOW is a great game..it is just old and stale now.

[skyclops]

i cannot get excited about rift
lets just admit wow is the best fantasy mmo
something different & another genre
keeping close eye on dcuo

[hambonee]

i cannot get excited about rift
lets just admit wow is the best fantasy mmo
something different & another genre
keeping close eye on dcuo

Ummm...WOW is not the "best" fantasy mmo...it is just the one that appeals to the bigger player base. There is a lot of reasons behind that but calling WOW the best is entirely related to your own person preference. So basically you feel it is..other may say LOTR is or Rifts or whatever.

Basically fans will be fans...Saying WOW is the best is like saying Taco Bell makes the best tacos. Sure, more people eat their tacos but do they make the best one? NAWWW..they are just the easiest to get usually.