Animal cruelty or nature?

[Ron Burgundy]

where is the poll option that nature can be cruel?

[Hasha]

So then why no outrage when people put a mouse or a rat in with their snake?

This thread is just repeating itself page after page.



You might get a few odd people caring, but it won't be a big deal. If it doesn't involve cats, dogs or endangered animals being abused, westerners will not give a shit.

sorry what...? i do care whenever ANY live animal is being fed to a snake...

and feeding your snake live prey is cruel and stupid. the snake does not bother to kill the animal before eating it, so it's being eaten alive. the snake can also be injured in the process.

out in the wild, there is at least survival of the fittest...every animal has a chance. cruel stuff happens in nature, yeah, but...its different, because does a cat put into a cage with a snake have a chance? not really. in the wild the cat would have some kind of chance. how is that justified...? why would anyone want a pet snake anyway? what's the point? do those people enjoy feeding their snake animals? it just lays there and slithers around the cage...so awesome...but that is beside the point.

and yes, i still believe this guy/girl (cant really tell) should be shot to death. how anybody could disagree with it being animal cruelty is beyond me...

[anveena]

Everyone happy it's not a fluffy kitten anymore
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=458_1318501088

[JimPaladin]

Meh, I don't really care about small and fluffy things, so in my opinion it's no different to him feeding it a rat. No sympy here, sorry.

Bonus points if you get the reference.

Yes because the way he was playing with it and making it unaware of it's death is-

Oh my God no. I can't even respond to this civilly. You're a <mod snip> if you seriously put this on par to "just feeding it a rat".

I'm no major "animal guy". I grew up on a farm with cats, and while I'm more of a 'cat guy' I saw my VERY large fair share of kittens die in pretty shitty ways. It was just the way of things. You can't really give super good care and attention to every single farm kitten and lots of them met pretty shitty ends to their brief lives, so it's not like every time I see a kitten get stomped to death by some retard in an online video I get all choked up and angry or anything.

But this IS animal cruelty and is NOT on par with "just feeding the snake a mouse". Now, had this been him just plopping the kitten in there and feeding it to the snake, then sure, I'd feel less concerned about it. I mean I'd still think it'd be a little 'mean' to feed the kitten to the snake, but hey. It's the way of things. If some guy thinks it's cool to feed a kitten to a snake, then whatever. Snakes gotta eat.

But this? No. This is NOT just feeding the snake. This fucking weirdo played with the Kitten and stuff, pushing it closer to the snake while playing Christmas music. When the kitten's death throes got too loud he turned up the christmas music.

That's not feeding your snake. That's being a psychotic dumbass who's just asking to get jail time and fines.

I mean I own a salamander and a carnivorous fish (who's identity shall remain a secret). The Salamander, by total nature, must be fed live insects or else he wont eat them. The fish greatly prefers live fish, and I feed him often from fish I catch myself, or buy from other means. Is it gruesome? Yes. It's the way of things.

I don't, however, dress the fish up in a little santa suit and play with it and feed it food and stuff before I rip it out of it's bowl and throw it to my fish while playing "War is Over if you want it" and recording it for the internet. There's interesting "fish eats other fish" videos and then there's being a fucked up retard.

It's not a thin line, either.

I mean, we were all young boys once (at least us guys, I mean) and I'm sure lots of us were a little more cruel to animals back then, just because we were more immature. But we grew out of it and learned to respect other life rather than take it for no reason. This is someone who did not grow out of that.

And again, don't get me wrong. I've been on the internet since I was 11-12 years old. I am 100% dead to most higher senses of emotions/disgust. Is it brutal and cruel what he did? Yes, but I'm not exactly worked up over it, I'm just stating this what he did was indisputably cruel, unusual and NOT "just feeding his pet", so don't think I'm getting all bleeding heart over this. It's just stupid to see him do something so cruel, and see people just be like "oh well just how stuff goes".

Mod Warning: Post respectfully.

[nkrzx]

Yes because the way he was playing with it and making it unaware of it's death is-

Oh my God no. I can't even respond to this civilly. You're a fucking bumpkin if you seriously put this on par to "just feeding it a rat".

I'm no major "animal guy". I grew up on a farm with cats, and while I'm more of a 'cat guy' I saw my VERY large fair share of kittens die in pretty shitty ways. It was just the way of things. You can't really give super good care and attention to every single farm kitten and lots of them met pretty shitty ends to their brief lives, so it's not like every time I see a kitten get stomped to death by some retard in an online video I get all choked up and angry or anything.

But this IS animal cruelty and is NOT on par with "just feeding the snake a mouse". Now, had this been him just plopping the kitten in there and feeding it to the snake, then sure, I'd feel less concerned about it. I mean I'd still think it'd be a little 'mean' to feed the kitten to the snake, but hey. It's the way of things. If some guy thinks it's cool to feed a kitten to a snake, then whatever. Snakes gotta eat.

But this? No. This is NOT just feeding the snake. This fucking weirdo played with the Kitten and stuff, pushing it closer to the snake while playing Christmas music. When the kitten's death throes got too loud he turned up the christmas music.

That's not feeding your snake. That's being a psychotic dumbass who's just asking to get jail time and fines.

I mean I own a salamander and a carnivorous fish (who's identity shall remain a secret). The Salamander, by total nature, must be fed live insects or else he wont eat them. The fish greatly prefers live fish, and I feed him often from fish I catch myself, or buy from other means. Is it gruesome? Yes. It's the way of things.

I don't, however, dress the fish up in a little santa suit and play with it and feed it food and stuff before I rip it out of it's bowl and throw it to my fish while playing "War is Over if you want it" and recording it for the internet. There's interesting "fish eats other fish" videos and then there's being a fucked up retard.

It's not a thin line, either.

I mean, we were all young boys once (at least us guys, I mean) and I'm sure lots of us were a little more cruel to animals back then, just because we were more immature. But we grew out of it and learned to respect other life rather than take it for no reason. This is someone who did not grow out of that.

And again, don't get me wrong. I've been on the internet since I was 11-12 years old. I am 100% dead to most higher senses of emotions/disgust. Is it brutal and cruel what he did? Yes, but I'm not exactly worked up over it, I'm just stating this what he did was indisputably cruel, unusual and NOT "just feeding his pet", so don't think I'm getting all bleeding heart over this. It's just stupid to see him do something so cruel, and see people just be like "oh well just how stuff goes".

Just because he is a psycho sociopath who derives pleasure from the suffering of others does not derive into animal cruelty. He simply fed the kitten to the snake, no matter how twisted or how demented the method he choose. He did not harm the kitten in any way. The snake he fed him to did. Just because you're appalled by the presentation of the meal to the snake does not constitute animal cruelty. He did not torture the kitten nor neglect it. He simply fed it to another pet. Obviously the kitten was being raised as a meal and not a household pet because he fed him to the snake LOL. Your argument of animal cruelty based entirely on the way the meal was presented is fundamentally flawed.

[Darkchickens]

The fact that its a cat and not a mouse or rat or anything makes it cruelty. Its subjective to everyone though, although I say that if its a wild animal not bought from a pet store to be used as a pet its nature, if it was bought as a pet, its cruelty.

[JimPaladin]

It's true the kitten was not harmed in any way outside being eaten, but like I said, there's a line between just feeding the kitten to the snake and this.

It's not the same kind of cruelty that say, beating a dog might be, but it's it own form of strange and unusual form of animal cruelty, whether or not he actually harmed the pet.

Like I said, I'm not really appalled or disgusted personally by this. I've seen and heard of stupid country people doing much worse things to cats and other animals, this is nothing new. I'm just stating basic facts that this is a pretty unusual and cruel way to sit there and play with the cat, making it unaware of the painful fate you're enacting upon it. That, to my basic understandings, is pretty fucking cruel.

"LOL."

[nkrzx]

It's true the kitten was not harmed in any way outside being eaten, but like I said, there's a line between just feeding the kitten to the snake and this.

It's not the same kind of cruelty that say, beating a dog might be, but it's it own form of strange and unusual form of animal cruelty, whether or not he actually harmed the pet.

Like I said, I'm not really appalled or disgusted personally by this. I've seen and heard of stupid country people doing much worse things to cats and other animals, this is nothing new. I'm just stating basic facts that this is a pretty unusual and cruel way to sit there and play with the cat, making it unaware of the painful fate you're enacting upon it. That, to my basic understandings, is pretty fucking cruel.

"LOL."

To which I respond again, how do you derive animal cruelty solely based off how the meal was presented? Because he got some sick sense of enjoyment out of it?
"Cruelty to animals, also called animal abuse or animal neglect, is the infliction of suffering or harm upon non-human animals"
Nothing in there about deriving pleasure from the suffering unless you are inflicting it yourself. Not matter how sick and twisted the individual he was in fact feeding his snake.

[Creotor]

(frozen, hypothermia is a lot less distressing than being crushed or eaten alive)

I take it, you've tried all three.

[PACOX]

It doesn't fall under animal cruelty but it is a cruel and sadistic act if that makes any sense.

[JimPaladin]

To which I respond again, how do you derive animal cruelty solely based off how the meal was presented? Because he got some sick sense of enjoyment out of it?
"Cruelty to animals, also called animal abuse or animal neglect, is the infliction of suffering or harm upon non-human animals"
Nothing in there about deriving pleasure from the suffering unless you are inflicting it yourself. Not matter how sick and twisted the individual he was in fact feeding his snake.

To which I respond "I don't care if some definition excludes mentioning that anything outside of physical harm can be contrived as cruelty to animals".

[Zoneseek]

sorry what...? i do care whenever ANY live animal is being fed to a snake...

and feeding your snake live prey is cruel and stupid. the snake does not bother to kill the animal before eating it, so it's being eaten alive. the snake can also be injured in the process.

out in the wild, there is at least survival of the fittest...every animal has a chance. cruel stuff happens in nature, yeah, but...its different, because does a cat put into a cage with a snake have a chance? not really. in the wild the cat would have some kind of chance. how is that justified...? why would anyone want a pet snake anyway? what's the point? do those people enjoy feeding their snake animals? it just lays there and slithers around the cage...so awesome...but that is beside the point.

and yes, i still believe this guy/girl (cant really tell) should be shot to death. how anybody could disagree with it being animal cruelty is beyond me...

Yeah well, i guess im beyond you, because I don't see feeding a carnivore with another carnivore as animal cruelty.

Do you really think the chickens that get bred for cat food have it any better then that kitten? They probably have it worse.

I find this whole situation just a huge pile of hypocrisy. Enjoy your steak dinner, the cow you'll eat tonight probably had it worse then the kitten too.

[Event Horizon]

I worked in a zoo and we used to feed baby mice, rabbits and ducks to our snakes and crocodiles, so no I don't think the idea of feeding cute small animals to another is cruel. But, there are plenty of other animals that could've been used rather than a kitten and there was no reason to film it other than sick animal death porn. I suspect a kitten was used because of the emotional response the video would receive, that makes this guy a real sicko

[Fargus]

The fact that its a cat and not a mouse or rat or anything makes it cruelty. Its subjective to everyone though, although I say that if its a wild animal not bought from a pet store to be used as a pet its nature, if it was bought as a pet, its cruelty.

Bullshit.

So it's cruelty because the kitten is cuter? Does the mouse/rat not suffer too?

[Elim Garak]

You know I'd rather live on a planet full of people like him, because he is fine and I know where he stands, but people like YOU, who are so ready to call people you don't understand a "sicko" and want them shot to death (for feeding a fucking animal to a fucking animal, or even for just making a video of the process) - are really scary. The same people who would've burned "witches" or lynched people, no less.

Especially the guy who said that feeding a live animal is OK as long as there's no background music - this guy is a real sicko and I would rather him taken into custody as soon as possible.

[Ihsatakar]

Bullshit.

So it's cruelty because the kitten is cuter? Does the mouse/rat not suffer too?

Cats are more intelligent than rats, and more commonly kept as pets. This animal was a pet. Snakes don't normally eat cats in the wild, they eat rodents. Domestic cats aren't natural prey of snakes in the wild.

[ChaosEater]

"Cruelty to animals, also called animal abuse or animal neglect, is the infliction of suffering or harm upon non-human animals"
Nothing in there about deriving pleasure from the suffering unless you are inflicting it yourself. Not matter how sick and twisted the individual he was in fact feeding his snake.

I just wanted to point out that under that definition not feeding your pet wouldn't constitute animal neglect (and we all know it does) simply because the owner isn't causing the harm as a result of personal physical contact. It is considered neglect because the owner is withholding the food, something which in this situation would translate into withholding safety from the snake/placing it in harms way (whichever you deem to be a better wording).

On a side not, I don't hold a particular opinion of the matter, as it is very true that many other (lets say less aesthetically pleasing) animals are treated in much the same manner every day with little attention given. However, at the same time there seems to exist a hierarchy when it comes to animals and their rights, and that hierarchy can vary wildly among different communities (for instance the "rights" of a horse may be more readily defended in say Kentucky as opposed to those of a Calico cat in Maryland).

So again, no particular opinion, I just wanted to chime in and point of how badly that definition defines animal abuse.

[Needalight]

I don't understand the whole story here. Did this guy own the cat and feed the cat to the snake? Did this guy go out of his way to buy a cat and feed it to the snake? Regardless of what he did, it is still cruel. Why didn't he get little mice to feed the snake?

[Hasha]

Yeah well, i guess im beyond you, because I don't see feeding a carnivore with another carnivore as animal cruelty.

Do you really think the chickens that get bred for cat food have it any better then that kitten? They probably have it worse.

I find this whole situation just a huge pile of hypocrisy. Enjoy your steak dinner, the cow you'll eat tonight probably had it worse then the kitten too.

never said that, if you read my previous posts you'd see that i am extremely concerned with the mass execution of animals for food...it's cool though. i don't eat steak.

[Fargus]

Cats are more intelligent than rats, and more commonly kept as pets. This animal was a pet. Snakes don't normally eat cats in the wild, they eat rodents. Domestic cats aren't natural prey of snakes in the wild.

Actually, no, they aren't. Rats are capable of metacognition.

And it doesn't matter if cats are more commonly kept as pets, cruelty is still cruelty. If someone did the same thing to a rat for entertainment, it'd still be cruel. Your 'answer' doesn't say at all how one's cruel and one isn't. All you're simply saying is "it's cruel because a kitty is more intelligent, cuter, and seen more as a pet than a rat" despite the fact that it's cruel because the animal is suffering unduly. Now, unless rats suddenly can't feel pain and terror in the same situation then you've really got little case to say it isn't cruel.

---------- Post added 2011-12-22 at 08:49 PM ----------

I don't understand the whole story here. Did this guy own the cat and feed the cat to the snake? Did this guy go out of his way to buy a cat and feed it to the snake? Regardless of what he did, it is still cruel. Why didn't he get little mice to feed the snake?

You can't really complain about cruelty when you advocate doing the same thing to an animal that can feel as much as that cat. That's called a double standard.