Bluray invades the next generation of Xbox

[Anguished]

It's only a rumor so i'm not really buying into it as it clashes with other rumours so who can really tell what to beleive, or if to beleive any of the rumours circulation recently.

[Hoticehunter]

I doubt it's developers that are the ones complaining, seeing as they get ALMOST NO PROFIT from sales at it is, unless its a huge AAA game and even then the designers probably wont see a penny. It's the publishers you can blame for this, friend! and I would bet money that its Activision and it's right-hand EA at the head of the unholy charge.

Here's a thought: Charge less for new games. People buy used because it's cheaper, not because they like buying used.

Anyway, I'm not believing the "requires online connection" until Microsoft makes that announcement themselves.

[Zenotetsuken]

I doubt they will go bluray unless it hits this year or very early next. The industry is pushing very hard to move from Bluray to all digital. (The movie industry, which is what really runs the media format war)

The porn industry runs the media format war.

[Dlf]

I hope to god it doesn't require constant internet. I take my current console (Wii/PS3/DS lite/PSP) and if I was in hotel, motel or someplace else that didn't have internet (and I needed it) I'd be unable to play and my god that would be stupid.

[Defengar]

The only reason I am getting D3 is because of the annual pass, otherwise I would have not gotten it, simply becuase of the retarded always online thing.

People hate that shit.

[PizzaSHARK]

explain how steam has blueray drives and always online to combat piracy?

The point is that consoles moving to an all-digital distribution format would mean that you'd basically be buying a PC that has most of its features restricted, does not allow hardware upgrading, does not support keyboard+mouse for its games, and will not have all the benefits of Steam.

You really think Xbox Live! (which isn't even free!) or Playstation Network is gonna have sales like what Steam has literally every week, let alone Steam's holiday sales?

[Tryptomine]

The point is that consoles moving to an all-digital distribution format would mean that you'd basically be buying a PC that has most of its features restricted, does not allow hardware upgrading, does not support keyboard+mouse for its games, and will not have all the benefits of Steam.

You really think Xbox Live! (which isn't even free!) or Playstation Network is gonna have sales like what Steam has literally every week, let alone Steam's holiday sales?

How is that any different than now? Last I checked, pretty much all computer have disc drives...

[dense]

The point is that consoles moving to an all-digital distribution format would mean that you'd basically be buying a PC that has most of its features restricted, does not allow hardware upgrading, does not support keyboard+mouse for its games, and will not have all the benefits of Steam.

You really think Xbox Live! (which isn't even free!) or Playstation Network is gonna have sales like what Steam has literally every week, let alone Steam's holiday sales?

i agree. Last time i checked, the dlc for oblivion was still 29.99€ on psn, bought the goty version for 10 from amazon.

If they really wanna go all digital, they have to reduce prices drastically over time, offer special deals and decent discounts. They won't earn much money if they keep their current pricing policies at their online stores.

[obdigore]

Didn't the previous rumor say that the new Xbox wouldn't have a media drive at all?

The next one will say it has a VHS drive and will be always on and only purchasable at best buy while you sign a contract to never step foot into a gamespot, ever.

[Mechazod]

I am going to write a very strongly worded letter to God if the world doesn't end and I am forced to play a game system that either requires 100% online connection or all the games are only downloads.

[PizzaSHARK]

How is that any different than now? Last I checked, pretty much all computer have disc drives...

And almost all computer games are digital sales now. Physical media sales, especially from brick and mortar stores, make up an extremely small portion of total sales.

[Zeta333]

This thread is seriously pointless, so everyone here is going off of baseless rumors and they have half the information. Ill put this in big letters for some of you.

The new xbox is not going digital only. The article that refrenced this said that the rumor was that MS would be distributing games on physical memory, IE Flash drives or Cartridges like the old days. Then the author being retarded and loving to spread drama commented on how digital only would ruin the system. All of you being as gullible and rufuseing to read the actuall article bit onto this drama lama and know dont know what the fuck your talking about.

So in short here are the rumors that have come out in nice bullets for you all.

> Xbox games will be sold on physical memorys [ flash drives or Cartridges]
> Xbox will have blueray drive
> xbox will have always online to combat piracy

Pretty much none of these have had no elaboration or official announcement so wigging the fuck out and flipping your shit and swearing off the console based on a rumor is plain stupid. Wait for official announcements and stop spreading false rumors. Notice how on those bullets it never said digital only.

[Gunslinger]

The point is that consoles moving to an all-digital distribution format would mean that you'd basically be buying a PC that has most of its features restricted, does not allow hardware upgrading, does not support keyboard+mouse for its games, and will not have all the benefits of Steam.

You really think Xbox Live! (which isn't even free!) or Playstation Network is gonna have sales like what Steam has literally every week, let alone Steam's holiday sales?

Actually you can use mouse and keyboard on your consoles not to mention that PSN and XBL have a ton of games which are console exclusive so there are NO other ways of playing them. Not only does XBL make money from the entry fees but from DLCs as well. And there are TONS of DLCs out there.

Tbh I'd say it's the other way around in the long run. Games are optimized for consoles to run smoothly while you always have to fiddle with drivers and invest money in new and powerful hardware to keep up with games. Per example a video board from 2006 or 2007 will not provide you with the same graphics on the Xbox360 or PS3 at 1080p or 720p because consoles are built to far exceed any hardware they were originally constructed with. Not to mention things like PS Move or Kinect which really define the consoles more as gaming experiences compared to the PC where it's a lot more static. I can't wait to see Kinect on PC but so far the library of games will be getting bigger and bigger on the Xbox360.

Back to the idea at hand regardless of what disc support Xbox or PS has what's more important are the following:
- backwards compatibility
- controller changes
- components

[Clockwork Pinkie]

not gonna get new xbox or ps4 they will be rediculously overpriced il wait about 5 years then pp lwill sell em on ebay quite cheap

Just wait till the prices for next gen games.

Nintendo 64/PS1 - $39:99
Gamecube/Xbox/PS2 - $49:99
Xbox 360/PS3 - $59:99
Xbox ?/PS4 - $69:99

Also, would hope it'd have a blu-ray player. It saves me from having to buy one, as I still don't have one. Really starting to wonder if Microsoft is the one behind the rumors, seeing how people react before they announce everything about the new Xbox, even though some are really outrageous.

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Back to the idea at hand regardless of what disc support Xbox or PS has what's more important are the following:
- backwards compatibility
- controller changes
- components

Really am hoping they'll even allow us to play the original Xbox games, with some of them being on the Marketplace, people that still have the games on their shelf should be able to play them, there's some pretty good games on the original Xbox, Oddworld being 1 of them.

[PizzaSHARK]

Actually you can use mouse and keyboard on your consoles not to mention that PSN and XBL have a ton of games which are console exclusive so there are NO other ways of playing them. Not only does XBL make money from the entry fees but from DLCs as well. And there are TONS of DLCs out there.

You can't use a keyboard and mouse to play games, otherwise every single Halo tournament would be played with keyboards and mice and everyone would laugh at the one idiot who insists he can compete with a gamepad anyway.

I don't get the point on DLCs. Do you somehow think that DLC don't exist for PC games?

Tbh I'd say it's the other way around in the long run. Games are optimized for consoles to run smoothly while you always have to fiddle with drivers and invest money in new and powerful hardware to keep up with games. Per example a video board from 2006 or 2007 will not provide you with the same graphics on the Xbox360 or PS3 at 1080p or 720p because consoles are built to far exceed any hardware they were originally constructed with. Not to mention things like PS Move or Kinect which really define the consoles more as gaming experiences compared to the PC where it's a lot more static. I can't wait to see Kinect on PC but so far the library of games will be getting bigger and bigger on the Xbox360.

This is false. All of it.

"Fiddling with drivers," means you download fresh drivers maybe once a month at most. Download drivers, install them (all done automatically, just click "okay"), reboot computer. Done. Takes less than five minutes.

You don't have to upgrade your hardware, but you certainly have the option to. My computer's more than five years old, and some parts considerably older than that. I can still run most anything at acceptable framerates.

720p is not a particularly large resolution, being equivalent to 1280x720. 1080p is also smaller than most decent computer monitors, being 1920x1080, a 16:9 resolution. Most computer monitors, especially at the higher end, are 16:10 and run at about 1440x900 at the lower end and up to 2560x1600 at the higher end, and modern PCs can easily handle multiple displays, which makes the actual desktop/playable area considerably larger than that without sacrificing image quality.

Additionally, consoles are only able to run modern game engines because they run them at piss-poor framerates, since most average TVs are pretty much unable to handle anything higher than around 30-40 frames per second. Computer monitors can run much higher than that, though as you get above 60 frames per second you begin to approach the point at which the human eye can't discern major differences - the difference between 30 frames per second and 60 frames per second is night and day, but the difference between 60 and 90 is less noticeable, and a difference between 90 and 120 would be negligible... at least, as far as we can tell.

It's also worth noting that console graphics look much, much worse than visuals on modern PCs due to their horrifically outdated hardware - compare screenshots from a console's Battlefield 3 to a computer running Battlefield 3 even on low-high settings. I've got friends that can run TF2 in "movie mode" (the same quality of visuals used for the Meet the Team videos) in excess of 400 frames per second with the FPS limiter turned off. At no point are consoles EVER competitive with PCs in terms of hardware.

PCs haven't adopted motion controls because we aren't stupid enough to think that motion controls are anything more than a gimmick people are using to try and make their games seem interesting. It's like movie production companies advertising shit being filmed in 3D - it doesn't add that much to the experience and having 3D visuals won't make a bad movie into a good movie.

I can't think of a single game I've played where motion controls were a major part of it, and where the game would not have been BETTER if the motion controls were replaced with normal keypresses or buttons. Why do you think the Gamecube version of Twilight Princess was received so much better than the Wii version?

[Merie]

If Microsoft is so presumptuous so as to assume everyone has a rock solid broadband connection that never spazes out and always remains one hundred percent optimal then why bother with a disc drive? They could cut out the dues to Sony and just make gamers download everything to their harddrive.

[Anjerith]

The porn industry runs the media format war.

If that was the case, we would have skipped Bluray altogether.

[Merie]

You can't use a keyboard and mouse to play games, otherwise every single Halo tournament would be played with keyboards and mice and everyone would laugh at the one idiot who insists he can compete with a gamepad anyway.

I don't get the point on DLCs. Do you somehow think that DLC don't exist for PC games?



This is false. All of it.

"Fiddling with drivers," means you download fresh drivers maybe once a month at most. Download drivers, install them (all done automatically, just click "okay"), reboot computer. Done. Takes less than five minutes.

You don't have to upgrade your hardware, but you certainly have the option to. My computer's more than five years old, and some parts considerably older than that. I can still run most anything at acceptable framerates.

720p is not a particularly large resolution, being equivalent to 1280x720. 1080p is also smaller than most decent computer monitors, being 1920x1080, a 16:9 resolution. Most computer monitors, especially at the higher end, are 16:10 and run at about 1440x900 at the lower end and up to 2560x1600 at the higher end, and modern PCs can easily handle multiple displays, which makes the actual desktop/playable area considerably larger than that without sacrificing image quality.

Additionally, consoles are only able to run modern game engines because they run them at piss-poor framerates, since most average TVs are pretty much unable to handle anything higher than around 30-40 frames per second. Computer monitors can run much higher than that, though as you get above 60 frames per second you begin to approach the point at which the human eye can't discern major differences - the difference between 30 frames per second and 60 frames per second is night and day, but the difference between 60 and 90 is less noticeable, and a difference between 90 and 120 would be negligible... at least, as far as we can tell.

It's also worth noting that console graphics look much, much worse than visuals on modern PCs due to their horrifically outdated hardware - compare screenshots from a console's Battlefield 3 to a computer running Battlefield 3 even on low-high settings. I've got friends that can run TF2 in "movie mode" (the same quality of visuals used for the Meet the Team videos) in excess of 400 frames per second with the FPS limiter turned off. At no point are consoles EVER competitive with PCs in terms of hardware.

PCs haven't adopted motion controls because we aren't stupid enough to think that motion controls are anything more than a gimmick people are using to try and make their games seem interesting. It's like movie production companies advertising shit being filmed in 3D - it doesn't add that much to the experience and having 3D visuals won't make a bad movie into a good movie.

I can't think of a single game I've played where motion controls were a major part of it, and where the game would not have been BETTER if the motion controls were replaced with normal keypresses or buttons. Why do you think the Gamecube version of Twilight Princess was received so much better than the Wii version?

ha ha ha someones a bit defensive of PC's.

I remember trading up to PC gaming a decade ago when I thought 800x600 looked great compared to the 480i over composite I had been gaming in on a TV. Now I game in 1920x1080, too bad these days anything lower than 2560x1600 at 22 inches looks "HORRIBLE" lol.

[Deleted]

rumours are stupid.. can we please get a rumour topic/megathread for each console so we dont get like 20 threads on each bit of "inside information (no sources needed)" nonsense.

Its amazing this has 2 pages.. it will either play blu-ray disks, not play disks or have its own format.

I heard a rumour the console is going to be a similar shade of black like the previous generations.. now thats news!.

[Clockwork Pinkie]

The porn industry runs the media format war.

Well, I won't lie, I do tend to watch movies online more than going out to the store and buying/renting one...lol