Will Lordaeron ever be restored?

[Northem]

The sovereignty of Lordaeron is a recurring theme and a source of conflict between the Alliance and the Horde, so I really liked this post where, as a synthesis and in an objective manner, it attempts to give a reasoned conclusion to the thread:

First of all, everyone saying "Lordaeron belongs to X and Y has no claim!" is pretty childish and wrong. The Forsaken and humans are two powers who don't recognize each others' laws. Both sides have what they believe to be a legitimate claim to the land and to each side, they're right while their enemies are wrong. The Forsaken are largely comprised of the dead of Lordaeron, raised into servitude and later set free to try and make an existence out of whatever husks of their former selves they had become. They take up residence in the land they once had during life, zealously defending the only home they have against human invaders who would stop at nothing to take everything from them. Lordaeron is currently the only real place in the world that the Forsaken have.

On the other side of the coin, you have the humans. Many of them were once citizens of Lordaeron in one way or another. Some are refugees who's family lines were born, lived and died on those lands. Some are old Stormwind refugees from the first war who's sister-nation Lordaeron took in and offered a home for many, many years. They struggle to reclaim the birthplace of the Alliance. Some fight to reclaim their homes from what they see as an abomination. Others fight to try and restore the homes of those who gave them refuge in the past. Both sides here obviously seem to have very legitimate reasons for trying to control Lordaeron, but all it really boils down to is a simple "I want it". There are no rightful hands for the land to be in. The Forsaken currently control Lordaeron, so it's theirs. If the Alliance were to take the city, the sides would change and they would be the "rightful rulers" while the Forsaken would be "invaders".

Now the out of game reason is because Blizzard hasn't done anything to endear Stormwind to the players. It has and continues to exist as a generic backdrop for humans and the Alliance as a whole. Even now, Stormwind and the Humans are a cheap, bland and empty wrapper hastily put around the alliance and a lot of people know it. A lot of Alliance players are desperate for the nostalgia of Warcraft 2, the amazing symbolism (the stylized L is infinitely better than stormwind's baby's-first-kitty) and a rich story. That's likely why you see so many ranting and raving on the forums about reclaiming Lordaeron.

[Zarc]

If the humans of the Lordaeron Nation were to try and reclaim their lands we would have an in-game Israeli-Palestinian conflict on our hands.

1) The Forsaken having their land stolen, being pushed off away from Undercity as the humans of Lordaeron claim it for their capital
(= The Palestinians having their land stolen, being pushed off away from Jerusalem as the Jews of Israel claim it for their capital)

2) But the reality of it is that while those humans of Lordaeron who fled/were exiled from the land those who remained turned Undead by the Scourge, adpoting a new identity as Forsaken, but they are ultimately descendant of the same people
(= But the reality of it is that while the Jewish people who fled/were exiled from the land those who remained turned Muslim by the Arabs, adopting a new identity as Palestinians, but they are ultimately descendant of the same people)

3) The Alliance support humans attempts to reclaim and settle Lordaeron
(= The Allies support the Jews attempts to reclaim and settle the Land of Israel)

4) The Horde supports the Forsaken
(= The Arab League supports the Palestinians)


Given that most elements of WoW have clear links to real-life cultures etc this would fit right in... although, maybe, it's too soon? =)

[zephid]

No, it is and will continue to be a horde stronghold.

[Northem]

If the humans of the Lordaeron Nation were to try and reclaim their lands we would have an in-game Israeli-Palestinian conflict on our hands.

1) The Forsaken having their land stolen, being pushed off away from Undercity as the humans of Lordaeron claim it for their capital
(= The Palestinians having their land stolen, being pushed off away from Jerusalem as the Jews of Israel claim it for their capital)

2) But the reality of it is that while those humans of Lordaeron who fled/were exiled from the land those who remained turned Undead by the Scourge, adpoting a new identity as Forsaken, but they are ultimately descendant of the same people
(= But the reality of it is that while the Jewish people who fled/were exiled from the land those who remained turned Muslim by the Arabs, adopting a new identity as Palestinians, but they are ultimately descendant of the same people)

3) The Alliance support humans attempts to reclaim and settle Lordaeron
(= The Allies support the Jews attempts to reclaim and settle the Land of Israel)

4) The Horde supports the Forsaken
(= The Arab League supports the Palestinians)


Given that most elements of WoW have clear links to real-life cultures etc this would fit right in... although, maybe, it's too soon? =)

So according to the comparison with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict I'm supposed to be pro-Israeli... good

[Jessicka]

No. Well maybe. The Forsaken are the people of Lordaeron, what they do with their own city is up to them.

[khalltusk]

Calia from what I understand is dead as Arthas goes into the secret passageways his family had installed and bolts it behind him. No doubt to murder her assuming she was in the city.

The humans of lodaeron are tiny in number now due to how many were killed and most of the refugees going to thereamore/stormwind. Their best bet is moving in with Tirion whos setting up shop in EPL. Any attempt to take forsaken lands would not end well.

[Darkstrike]

Forsaken shouldnt be horde in the first place (goblins or ogres should be in their place in vanilla) , same goes for Blood elves (lorewise atleast ) , but blizzard made them horde for gameplay reasons . it doesnt make any sense to die (southshore) and join the forsaken (the ones that killed you ) if you have free will .

[khalltusk]

Forsaken shouldnt be horde in the first place (goblins or ogres should be in their place in vanilla) , same goes for Blood elves (lorewise atleast ) , but blizzard made them horde for gameplay reasons . it doesnt make any sense to die (southshore) and join the forsaken (the ones that killed you ) if you have free will .

Blood elves lore makes fairly good point to join the horde. Betrayed by the alliance via garithos (who was under dread lord command but not widely known) then the only help they receive was from the forsaken who were already with the horde.

[Darkstrike]

Blood elves lore makes fairly good point to join the horde. Betrayed by the alliance via garithos (who was under dread lord command but not widely known) then the only help they receive was from the forsaken who were already with the horde.

betrayed ????? he gave an order , some1 (kaelthas ) didnt follow the order , and we did see what happend with kaelthas .

[Barendon]

If I was one of the writers I'd make the story go like this:
Sylvanas understands she can't invade and populate the lands of the dwarves (that protect stormwind from the north), and will finally have to resolve in turning on her former brethren , the Blood Elves. She will march north and will conquer Quelthalas, for the magnificence of the forsaken , the blood elves will either perish or side with the alliance like they did against the amani trolls and with their help, The alliance and the sindorei invade Lordaron and finally recaptures it, having herself cornered Sylvanas will become a tyrant and will create massive walls of defense and a giant bastion of undeath, waiting for her enemies to step by. And now, she's ready to take on them all ! Patch 804323402348.4 - Sylvanas's period 3

[Zarc]

So according to the comparison with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict I'm supposed to be pro-Israeli... good

I don't think you are "supposed" to be anything, but I'm glad you are satisfied with your conclusion.

[Northem]

Calia from what I understand is dead as Arthas goes into the secret passageways his family had installed and bolts it behind him. No doubt to murder her assuming she was in the city.

Until proven otherwise, Calia is alive and is the Queen of Lordaeron by dynastic right.

In the same way as in the book of Arthas is meant as Calia could be dead, we could also bring up the story of that paladin who went to rescue a young woman into the Undercity, a girl who was referred as "my princess" ...

The point is, that despite Calia can be dead (which I insist, is not confirmed) there is plenty of narrative material, as Calia would be a Forsaken and still would retain her dynastic rights at the eyes of the Forsaken.

Also, when it is found a "cure" for the Forsaken who voluntarily wish to regenerate themselves and return to being humans, the Alliance will receive them with open arms.

[khalltusk]

betrayed ????? he gave an order , some1 (kaelthas ) didnt follow the order , and we did see what happend with kaelthas .

Lol whut? Garithos took away all the troops he had that could have held off the undead. Kael was put in an impossibru positon!

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Until proven otherwise, Calia is alive and is the Queen of Lordaeron by dynastic right.

In the same way as in the book of Arthas is meant as Calia could be dead, we could also bring up the story of that paladin who went to rescue a young woman into the Undercity, a girl who was referred as "my princess" ...

The point is, that despite Calia can be dead (which I insist, is not confirmed) there is plenty of narrative material, as Calia would be a Forsaken and still would retain her dynastic rights at the eyes of the Forsaken.

Also, when it is found a "cure" for the Forsaken who voluntarily wish to regenerate themselves and return to being humans, the Alliance will receive them with open arms.

No just NO!

Alliance would _NEVER_ welcome the former undead forsaken if they were restored to human form. They have done FAR too much to the others around them to be viewed with anything but contempt.

Calia has no right to the lands, or to rule those people. Why? because the people have chosen to follow another ruler their own Banshee queen. You cannot rule a people who do not wish to be ruled. Since the story heavily hints to calia being killed off and there is no mention of her since we can only assume at best she is MIA and at worst KIA.

[Grubjuice]

Until proven otherwise, Calia is alive and is the Queen of Lordaeron by dynastic right.

I vote for a Socialist Republic. All Kings, Queens and other Aristocatic Parasites should be beheaded!

[nightfalls]

Until proven otherwise, Calia is alive and is the Queen of Lordaeron by dynastic right.

You mean the "Queen" of nothing. Lordaeron's Kingdom and Dynasty has totally, completely fallen and is now ruled by a new power.

[Jaxi]

What are people talking about? Lordaeron IS restored. It's more beautiful than ever.

[Deleted]

I am amazed by some people on MMO-C... looking at Northem with his Lordearon fable, night elf fascist Moon Blade and that guy who always says that Tinkers are going to be the next class.


Take. a. break.

[Aquamonkey]

Blood elves lore makes fairly good point to join the horde. Betrayed by the alliance via garithos (who was under dread lord command but not widely known) then the only help they receive was from the forsaken who were already with the horde.

That's not why the BElves joined the Horde. It was because the Alliance ambassadors sent to Quel'thalas turned out to be spies and saboteurs. While Sylvanas sent genuine aid to help clear out the Scourge.

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betrayed ????? he gave an order , some1 (kaelthas ) didnt follow the order , and we did see what happend with kaelthas .

Yep... gave a racist order setting them up to die. While he turns around and does the exact same thing Kael did by teaming up with Sylvanas.

[Deleted]

Also, when it is found a "cure" for the Forsaken who voluntarily wish to regenerate themselves and return to being humans, the Alliance will receive them with open arms.

You should probably watch X-Man, where they found a "cure" for mutants. Lots of moral material for you, on how well they accepted the idea of being "cured".

[khalltusk]

That's not why the BElves joined the Horde. It was because the Alliance ambassadors sent to Quel'thalas turned out to be spies and saboteurs. While Sylvanas sent genuine aid to help clear out the Scourge.

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Yep... gave a racist order setting them up to die. While he turns around and does the exact same thing Kael did by teaming up with Sylvanas.

It is why they joined the horde, I just did not mention about the spies. splitting hairs Aqua