Armory Stats - Heroic Siege of Orgrimmar Class Representation, Blue Tweets, Fan Art

[Skippy88]

Poor Rogues but I still enjoy playing him.

[Pacster]

@Twitter SPriest discussion: It's hilariously depressing to see how Blizzard fights teeth and claw against shadow priest getting proper single target damage. I really wished that one of those Blizzard DEVs was stuck with a shadow on a fight like H-Malkorok, so he can feel how utterly frustrating it can be to be so far behind.

Yeah, I hoped it would get any better with Ghostcrawler being gone...but actually they seem to have none in their whole team who actually cares for shadows. They seem to check some simulations for what shadows can potentially do if they reset every dot perfectly...but forget completely that humans are no machines(it's not as easy to reset several dots while checking for proccs...as spamming the same 2 spells over and over again not having to care for proccs at all. Yeah, shadow needs more skill, but it's insane if you need supercomputer perfection to be able to almost compete with a faceroll mage/warlock) and that there is a darn lot of RNG in the game if you actually have to move(which hurts shadows pretty hard and which you can not simulate).
If you tell them they they start to argue about utility. Too bad that there is NO fight in the game where you really NEED that utility(which got decreased with every second patch anyway)...all you need is dps. I have never been in any discussion where I heard the sentence: "Let's take the shadow, he got more utility!". Even in PvP it's just "target the shadow...he is the easiest to down and can't do anything while under fire and moving!". They always sound like shadow is the ONLY in the game with any utility....

Sometimes I think they just check how many players play a class/specc. If there are many players then the class can't be that bad after all...and they are afraid that even more players would play shadow if he could actually compete with others. As a result: If they would make a demonhunter it's dps/mechanic would have to suck too...cause elseway too many would play it. =)
Somebody should spread them the news that most players outside the top100 choose their class based on the basic idea behind that class(being able to help the team and still do damage, is an appealing basic idea. Much more so than just being stuck to one role)...and the lore that comes with it(badass driven priest? COOL...). I for one believe that if they would have introduced Illidan-like demonhunters instead of panda-monks and have given them similar skills to monks we would see WAY more demonhunters in the game than we have monks now.

But what sucks most is the priest community. Whenever you say that the shadow ain't strong enough you can be sure that you will have 5 players posting "shadow is fine. L2p. I don't want it to be easy."(usually by players that have 5 other toons that they play as main whenever they really need some dps). The priest community seems to be much more masochistic compared to others...maybe because it's the only class with 2 heal speccs(which makes it a heal only class in some minds).

I was always seeing all types of druids in progression and the shadow priest discussion was funny, who was asking those questions? Our spriest was topping everything for almost every fight. Yeah, it's harder to master, seems most people just haven't.

Right. Or maybe he had better gear...or maybe you guys just suck? Oh wait...that's not possible...it's the 30k other shadows that got to suck...much more likely than your 5 other dds. ;-)

[Rioo]

Poor Rogues but I still enjoy playing him.

You have to remember that rogues normally only have one spec represented in a raid, and you don't stack them. You never see 3 rogues in a 10-man, but you might see a guardian druid, a resto and say a balance druid in one. With that said, rogues are really under represented compared to the other pure DPS classes, especially warlock. Poor melee

[MrExcelion]

Good tier to be playing a Warlock - I remember when they were the second rarest class behind rogues going into DS. This has been the weakest tier of the expansion for Mages - utility wise there's not much reason to go out of your way to stack them since we don't get insane Combusts to brute force fights anymore.

H-Lei Shen 25 data would probably be really funny because you wanted 2 DKs and 2 Locks for that fight minimum. LS might have gotten some locks to reroll and then stick with them going into T16.

[Deleted]

Watching that graphic (and the poll) it becomes clear that Mages need a buff!

They don't need a buff (their dps is ok). They need new level 90 talents.

[MrExcelion]

They don't need a buff (their dps is ok). They need new level 90 talents.

We actually are a bit behind Rogues, Hunters (post hotfix), and Locks atm, but I'm not sure if they're willing to go to the trouble of bumping us a few %. Saw they tweeted a couple weeks ago that the reason Locks are OP this tier is because they overcompensated for UVLS. They're not going to nerf classes though and make heroic progression for guilds harder.

I did tweet Celestalon about it, so we'll see if anything comes of it. Part of me doesn't think it's a big deal, but another part of me realizes we'll be doing this place for another 6 months at least. But yeah, like others have said, SPs are significantly worse off than the pures, Mages included. I don't want to use the "s word" because of the negative connotations, but the pecking order is reminiscent of when I raided Sunwell with Locks, Hunters, and Rogues (with glaives) at the top, then followed by Mages. To be fair though, Mages were top the majority of T13-T15 so I don't have much room to really complain. It's just that Combust nerf late in the patch cycle that really hurt us the most, so if they un-nerf us I'd say just surgically tweak Combust.

[Moradim]

statistics like these are stupid cause they dont tell the real story.

EVERYONE has a prot or holy paladin, how many rets do you see in heroic raiding? now compare their damage to rogues who have "less representation". this is exactly why you cant choose to buff/nerf a class based on representation...you have to look at it by spec.

reality is, rogues/locks dominate the meters, so you cant make adjustments purely from class representation

[Isiildur]

statistics like these are stupid cause they dont tell the real story.

EVERYONE has a prot or holy paladin, how many rets do you see in heroic raiding? now compare their damage to rogues who have "less representation". this is exactly why you cant choose to buff/nerf a class based on representation...you have to look at it by spec.

reality is, rogues/locks dominate the meters, so you cant make adjustments purely from class representation

The reason locks are OP is that they bring utility that no other class can hope to bring, those being Demonic Gateway and healthstones. Having Demonic Gateway available can drastically alter how you approach a fight and Healthstones are quite possibly the best raid cooldown available. Blizzard's refusal to give these abilities to other classes in an age of utmost homogenization is ludicrous, especially with statements like "We don't see many raids called due to lack of cookies." Mages could easily have their refreshments converted into a healthstone analogue, especially since they have barely any utility to speak of.

On top of this, they have 2 of the highest specs available in game, one of which is ideal for prolonged 2-3 target fights and the other is ideal for burst-oriented fights plus a pet mass dispel.

[Squeezus]

Been playing rogue since the beginning of WoW. Bored to death by it right now ever since the oversimplification of talents and no choice whatsoever except for a few really bland, boring ones. MoP was a deathblow to rogues for me so I cancelled my sub. But I won't switch classes. I'll just wait and see if blizz does something right with rogues for once in WoD. If not, I'll just cancel my sub again and wait some more.

This is a joke, right? Nearly everything you just said is the opposite of reality. Before MoP, there was nearly no reason to ever switch talents. Now it is done every other fight. Rogue utility is pretty nice now as well. When I read things like this it just makes me realize how few people actually understand all of the different tools an options that rogues have now. I constantly hear other raiders surprise when they find out that I can handle a certain fight mechanic in a way that they can't, or didn't think a rogue could. The tools are there, people need to quit being so damn lazy and use them.

Even the rogues easiest spec is in the middle of the pack as far as complexity goes, and sub is one of the most complex. They are beyond not boring, unless your playing them incorrectly.

[Coalbane]

As others have already pointed out, it would be very interesting to see some kind of breakdown by spec if it's even possible. Even MORE interesting to see the breakdown change over time, but that would probably involve too much work if that much data was even available. Some of these classes are more represented because they can fill multiple roles. I think a spec breakdown would be far more useful for many reasons.

[Swampmoose]

Extremely useless chart unless you start looking into specs. There can be completely even class representation across each of those tiers but if if you have 99% holy priests vs 1% disc, or 99% resto druids vs 1% feral, you have serious issues within the class that are not displayed in a chart like this.

[rhoark]

I find it interesting that most of the classes move towards the mean 9% representation as they approach H Garrosh, except DK's and Hunters start below average and move further down, while priests start above average and move up. That gives some actual insight into raid effectiveness disambiguated from overall class population. (The priest number probably also includes a larger than depicted movement towards disc priests masked by a reduction in shadow.)

[Wildspirit]

interesting chart but without the spec representation, its not very useful. For classes like warlock, hunter, rogues (only dps) it works but for others who can assume tank / heal / dps, this is kinda meh.

[Moradim]

"devs balance around utility"

thats why locks do the most damage and have the best raid utility trololololol

[Ater]

While the information isn't nearly as comprehensive.....

Thanks a lot mate!

[Azrile]

Extremely useless chart unless you start looking into specs. There can be completely even class representation across each of those tiers but if if you have 99% holy priests vs 1% disc, or 99% resto druids vs 1% feral, you have serious issues within the class that are not displayed in a chart like this.

Really most people here can´t do the math anyway. Look at how many people complaining about ´see rogues suck´... when the fact is, probably 2 of their 3 specs are above average in representation. Are rogues 3 times as high as enhance, ferals and ret?

Not sure I blame MMO-C, but they have a bad habit of putting up graphs that are easy for ´less savy´ people to misinterpret. Probably 75% of the analysis being done in this thread isn´t accurate because the graph doesn´t give them information people think it means.

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Monks, well nobody rly likes a panda in this kind of games....I hope Blizzard gets a bit mature now...

Actually, it has nothing to do with monks, since pandas can be many classes and many races can be monks.

But even if you are talking about monks you are wrong. Sure, monks are lowest, but you have to realize there was no reason to reroll to them this time. In Wotlk, DKs not only started at 55, but they were also fairly OP. Most raiders knew from beta that DKs were going to be OP, sot hey rerolled to them, which was easy considering they started at 55. Monks were never really OP in beta, and they started at lvl 1. So for hardcore raiders, that is a bit of a pill to take to start out so far behind for a class that is not OP. Most serious raiders in MoP just were content to play their mains from last expansion and be ready to raid week one. Considering this is full heroic clears, these are the most extreme raiders, guys that wanted to be fully geared that first week, so didn´t want to have to level from 1.

[Mormolyce]

Woo least represented class!

Although I would like to consider all my characters equal really.

[Kalisandra]

The reason locks are OP is that they bring utility that no other class can hope to bring, those being Demonic Gateway and healthstones. Having Demonic Gateway available can drastically alter how you approach a fight and Healthstones are quite possibly the best raid cooldown available. Blizzard's refusal to give these abilities to other classes in an age of utmost homogenization is ludicrous, especially with statements like "We don't see many raids called due to lack of cookies." Mages could easily have their refreshments converted into a healthstone analogue, especially since they have barely any utility to speak of.

On top of this, they have 2 of the highest specs available in game, one of which is ideal for prolonged 2-3 target fights and the other is ideal for burst-oriented fights plus a pet mass dispel.

They're also one of the three classes that brings a battle rez. That's another massive reason to bring them. They're mobile, bring raid mobility, bring a unique health buff (soulstones), a very desirable and somewhat class-limited piece of raid utility (brez), and top DPS, oh and they've got good survivability. You'd be insane not to bring as many as you can fit into your raid. Hell, they could have low-average DPS and they'd still be worth bringing (just not worth stacking).

[Deleted]

Specs matter. If you're ret, you can go tank or healer. If you're a Rogue, you can reroll. Which is what I had to do. If only Rogues could tank, I'd still be playing that fun class.

[rokkitan]

Class representation as percentage of total class numbers for normal and possibly heroic kills would also be interesting to see how classes do and if anyone is over/under represented.