Letter from Death Row Inmate (since killed)

[Themius]

http://gawker.com/a-letter-from-ray-...ted-1536073598

I found this interesting.

Also it should be pointed out that he didn't kill anyone. The other person killed the person, but that other person did a plea and got life in jail. This seems like a horribly broken system of an already broken system.

1) we shouldn't have death penalty
2) don't kill the person who didn't kill the person and then give the person who did kill the person a lighter sentence, that just makes no fucking sense

He speaks a bit about how our prison system is essentially somewhat like slavery.

"If a prisoner refuses to work and be a slave, they will do their time in isolation as punishment. You have thousands of people with a lot of prison time that have no choice but to make money for the government or live in isolation. This affects of prison isolation literally drive people crazy."

We have a clear problem in this company, whoops... Country... when we have groups lobbying against unions while shifting jobs to prisoners who work for nothing.

[Hooked]

Well at least tell the whole story here themius. He may not have killed the guy but he walked up behind him then slit his throat.

http://murderpedia.org/male.J/j/jasper-ray.htm

Don't do the crime if you cant do the time.

[Themius]

Well at least tell the whole story here themius. He may not have killed the guy but he walked up behind him then slit his throat.

http://murderpedia.org/male.J/j/jasper-ray.htm

Don't do the crime if you cant do the time.

The time shouldn't be death. In the state of texas death penalties are given when there is no hope of redemption.

Death isn't "doing time" death is ending it.

[Hooked]

The time shouldn't be death. In the state of texas death penalties are given when there is no hope of redemption.

Death isn't "doing time" death is ending it.

If you walk up behind someone and slit their throat and rob them, then yeah it should be death.

Heres another fine human being that is also living in texas who got the death penalty.

[Themius]

If you walk up behind someone and slit their throat and rob them, then yeah it should be death.

Do you not see the inequality in this ruling considering the person who went on to kill them doesn't get the death penalty? Also there are other issues at hand here, like our for profit system of modern day slavery.

[Hooked]

Do you not see the inequality in this ruling considering the person who went on to kill them doesn't get the death penalty? Also there are other issues at hand here, like our for profit system of modern day slavery.

Yes they both should have gotten the death penalty, I agree plea bargains are the worst thing ever for a civilized society.

[Themius]

Yes they both should have gotten the death penalty, I agree plea bargains are the worst thing ever for a civilized society.

You can't tote "civilized society" while supporting archaic, barbaric, and often enough wrong practices. Innocent people are killed, innocent people are on death row, waiting, to be killed.

[Collegeguy]

Slitting someone's throat was probably considered are more viscous act that deserved a harsher penalty. I happen to agree.

[Deleted]

If you walk up behind someone and slit their throat and rob them, then yeah it should be death.

The biggest problem with the death penalty is, and always was, that we are also executing people who are innocent. That alone should be reason enough for people to be against it.

[Hooked]

The biggest problem with the death penalty is, and always was, that we are also executing people who are innocent. That alone should be reason enough for people to be against it.

I don't agree that we are.

[Mirishka]

Do you not see the inequality in this ruling considering the person who went on to kill them doesn't get the death penalty? Also there are other issues at hand here, like our for profit system of modern day slavery.

What the hell do you think would have happened from the victim having his/her throat cut regardless of what the other person did? Are you seriously that obtuse?

"Well sure I stabbed the guy through the heart with that icepick... but it was the guy with me who shot him! He would have been fine!"

[Themius]

I don't agree that we are.

I don't give a shit about what you "believe" do you honestly think the justice system is infallible?!

The result, a peer-reviewed analysis published by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States, is described as a “deliberately conservative” number which makes clear that wrongful convictions are not as uncommon as many would like to believe.

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/04/23/1306417111

Deliberately conservative... read as... "probably more but we're gonna low ball this."

[Mayhem]

wait, you have a federal subsidized slave labour system?

[Tradewind]

wait, you have a federal subsidized slave labour system?

You mean Wal-Mart?

[Deleted]

I don't agree that we are.

We have people on death row that are innocent. We know that. We generally have people in prison that are innocent, because our justice system is flawed and we as humans make mistakes. Sometimes, we put the wrong guys behind bars.

[Charge me Doctor]

wait, you have a federal subsidized slave labour system?

Well, if someone deletes a society unit which could work 8 hours per day for the benefit of the country, forcing them to work 16 hours per day is kinda reasonable in some weird sense.

Anyways, margin of error is so small for the benefit of removing monsters from society

[Themius]

wait, you have a federal subsidized slave labour system?

Actually yes.

A federal system where private companies that utilize prisoners hire them at a a higher rate, say minimum wage, or even slightly below that, and when they're released they get that money in a set check each month. That would be a more fair system, that would be a system that saves companies money by hiring prisoners, a system that would give hope to prisoners when they get out a system that doesn't force prisoners to be slaves who essentially work for pennies. When these people get out they don't really have a means to make a living and they're so shunned by society getting another job can be very very difficult.

[breadisfunny]

The time shouldn't be death. In the state of texas death penalties are given when there is no hope of redemption.

Death isn't "doing time" death is ending it.

oh look its themius fudging the facts again. sorry but murderers should indeed be sent to die. they have no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

[Masark]

Anyways, margin of error is so small

You consider the odds of rolling a 1 on a D20 to be "so small"?

[Themius]

oh look its themius fudging the facts again. sorry but murderers should indeed be sent to die. they have no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

What facts did I "fudge" here. You look foolish.

In Texas the death penalty is given when a person is deemed beyond redemption, giving out death penalties to people who can be redeemed just wouldn't make sense secondly.

Also what facts did I fudge here? You can't same "don't do the crime if you can't do the time" but when the time is "ending" time, that's not "doing time" That's being killed.