President Obama decleares Venezuela a national security threat

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Are you claiming what cybran said isn't correct?

It depends if there is oil, if there is no oil America isn't so concerned.

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Venezuela will continue to go down the toilet as long as that oaf Maduro is in charge. Feel sorry for ordinary Venezuelans as they should be one of the wealthiest nations on the planet - but El Commandante and his ilk put paid to that with their quite spectacularly retarded economic policies.

Nevertheless, reading about these alleged U.S. sponsored plots that are uncovered and heroically thwarted every other week by the brave socialists of the eternal revolution (or whatever the hell it is they call themselves) is kind of funny.

What isn't funny however are the ever increasing numbers of opposition politicians / journalists getting locked up for voicing dissent.

What exactly do you mean by "wealthiest country"?
You mean where that 1% of people have more money than they do in other countries?

[Adam Jensen]

yeah cause numbers are all that matter, oh and "well bush did......" always a great defense "well the most hated president in recent history did it so it's fine for Obama"

Except Obama has yet to do anything in an EO that goes beyond the bounds of what a President is allowed to do.

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It depends if there is oil, if there is no oil America isn't so concerned.

Oil isn't the only resource. There is another one that's much more important.
Control.

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Except Obama has yet to do anything in an EO that goes beyond the bounds of what a President is allowed to do.

Even the amnesty thing?

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Venezuela is more of a security threat to venezuelans than americans.

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Oil isn't the only resource. There is another one that's much more important.
Control.

Well you need control in order to have access to the resources. That's why America is ready do deliver some freedom. Also Venezuela is flush with all types of resources not just oil. I wonder how long until we have a puppet in office over there.

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Well you need control in order to have access to the resources. That's why America is ready do deliver some freedom. Also Venezuela is flush with all types of resources not just oil. I wonder how long until we have a puppet in office over there.

I'd say very soon. Weren't there protests going on recently?
Not doubting the nature of malcontent. I'm sure there is some local malcontent as well, but I'm also sure some properly directed USAID funds would benefit from this wave of malcontent in order to deliver democracy.

Honestly though. I don't think this is about robbing oil.
This is about controlling oil output. Making sure another exporter gets to experience a bit of western instability right before US' grand entrance into the market as exporters.
Le coincidence.

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Honestly though. I don't think this is about robbing oil.
This is about controlling oil output. Making sure another exporter gets to experience a bit of western instability right before US' grand entrance into the market as exporters.
Le coincidence.

I agree. The thing is America uses a crisis to it's advantage. We won't "rob" the oil but we will control it in some fashion. Not a coincidence, not even in French.

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I agree. The thing is America uses a crisis to it's advantage. We won't "rob" the oil but we will control it in some fashion. Not a coincidence, not even in French.

Unfortunately, the last few experiments also completely destroyed the countries involved and the lives of the people living in it.
I wouldn't mind if they could manage to keep some sort of peace and stability in place.
Thing is.. They can't.

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Unfortunately, the last few experiments also completely destroyed the countries involved and the lives of the people living in it.
I wouldn't mind if they could manage to keep some sort of peace and stability in place.
Thing is.. They can't.

They can't you're right. Do they really care though? I mean why take out Saddam and Gaddafi. They knew that would lead to warlords and craziness. Well I guess Gaddafi had to go because of the Dinar.

[Gumboy]

One California refinery suffered a major explosion a bit ago, others are undergoing "maintenance" and there is the change-over to "summer" blends. It all combines to reduce supply of refined gas.

Also known as gouging prices because they see oil dropping, have to "switch it over to the summer blend" so it takes more time. While they are at it, why not replace all of our blinker fluid?

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Also known as gouging prices because they see oil dropping, have to "switch it over to the summer blend" so it takes more time. While they are at it, why not replace all of our blinker fluid?

Summer blend...

[ringpriest]

"Statement by the Press Secretary on Venezuela"
Doesn't seem to actually explain why Venezuela is a national security threat, although it does condemn Venezuela's lack of democracy. By which standard, Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Gulf emirates are also threats to national security. Along with China and a host of other nations.

"Venezuela sanctions: Maduro fumes at 'imperialists' as US targets officials"
Diplomatic row intensifies after sanctions targeting seven top officials
Venezuelan president responds with push for more decree powers

"Venezuela Promotes Official Sanctioned by US"

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro snubbed the United States Monday by promoting an official sanctioned by President Barack Obama.

Military official Gustavo Gonzalez has been appointed to head the interior ministry – putting him in charge of overseeing domestic security. He had previously served as the head of the Venezuelan intelligence agency SEBIN, along with chairing a high level military coordination body, the CESPPA.

Maduro stated his decision to name Gonzalez interior minister was partly inspired as a response to an executive order by Obama to impose new sanctions on Venezuela.

[Independent voter]

Oil is fungible. What's that mean?

Say your neighbor owns a factory that makes all the mousetraps that Walmart sells. You two get in a fight because someone's dog pooped on someone's lawn.

You go to Walmart to buy a mousetrap, guess what? The price of the mousetrap is the same as everyone else pays. That's what the left wing never seems to understand. Oil doesn't matter, Venezuela will sell oil to the market, the oil we buy might be Venezuelan, but maybe not. It could be Canadian or Mexican. The price doesn't change because we're American.

Cuba was propped up by Venezuela with the profits from expensive oil. Venezuela can no longer afford to prop Cuba up. Cuba is now dealing with the US. Fine friends they were.

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Venezuela will continue to go down the toilet as long as that oaf Maduro is in charge. Feel sorry for ordinary Venezuelans as they should be one of the wealthiest nations on the planet - but El Commandante and his ilk put paid to that with their quite spectacularly retarded economic policies.

Nevertheless, reading about these alleged U.S. sponsored plots that are uncovered and heroically thwarted every other week by the brave socialists of the eternal revolution (or whatever the hell it is they call themselves) is kind of funny.

What isn't funny however are the ever increasing numbers of opposition politicians / journalists getting locked up for voicing dissent.

Hear hear.

As an actual venezuelan living in this shithole, I am SO HAPPY to see a meassure of justice being done.

Before anyone dares to defend the fucking corrupt pigs that are being sanctioned by the executive order, bear in mind, those are the same guys who approved of doing this:

http://www.maduradas.com/represion-b...tudiantes-15e/

They are monsters that have imposed an iron-fisted dictatorship disguised as a thin mockery of what a democracy should be, and have brought this once great nation to ruin, and to be the laughing stock of latin america, and the butt of everyone's joke.

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Hear hear.

As an actual venezuelan living in this shithole, I am SO HAPPY to see a meassure of justice being done.

Before anyone dares to defend the fucking corrupt pigs that are being sanctioned by the executive order, bear in mind, those are the same guys who approved of doing this:

http://www.maduradas.com/represion-b...tudiantes-15e/

They are monsters that have imposed an iron-fisted dictatorship disguised as a thin mockery of what a democracy should be, and have brought this once great nation to ruin, and to be the laughing stock of latin america, and the butt of everyone's joke.

It isn't remotely close to being an iron-fisted dictatorship. 70% of the media is private. Elections observed by international overseers were deemed fair. A dictatorship simply closes down the media that is critical of it and generally does not bother with elections at all, much less monitoring.

The torture you describe is fairly hideous as all torture is, but by the standards of global human rights violations, fairly minor. If the far right takes over with CIA you'd have to be incredibly naive to believe the same or worse won't happen-there are numerous CIA-installed dictators in the region who practiced torture on an industrial scale.

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Hear hear.

As an actual venezuelan living in this shithole, I am SO HAPPY to see a meassure of justice being done.

Before anyone dares to defend the fucking corrupt pigs that are being sanctioned by the executive order, bear in mind, those are the same guys who approved of doing this:

http://www.maduradas.com/represion-b...tudiantes-15e/

They are monsters that have imposed an iron-fisted dictatorship disguised as a thin mockery of what a democracy should be, and have brought this once great nation to ruin, and to be the laughing stock of latin america, and the butt of everyone's joke.

Once great nation?

[SirBeef]

Oh another executive order, I don't even read them anymore. 2017 cant come soon enough.

Just to be fair, were you against Bush's Executive orders? Or Reagan's? Just asking becasue they signed the most in the last few presidents we had.

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yeah cause numbers are all that matter, oh and "well bush did......" always a great defense "well the most hated president in recent history did it so it's fine for Obama"

Except the response was to a comment sounding like Obama has been the only president to sign one and that the 2017 will bring the Presidency back to the normalcy of not signing EOs which has never been the case.

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Just to be fair, were you against Bush's Executive orders? Or Reagan's? Just asking becasue they signed the most in the last few presidents we had.

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Except the response was to a comment sounding like Obama has been the only president to sign one and that the 2017 will bring the Presidency back to the normalcy of not signing EOs which has never been the case.

I'm only against ones that are designed to weaken the country, so the answer is no.