Bill banning child marriage fails in Pakistan

[Rennadrel]

This has to be a troll post

Shinra1 never posts seripusly, you should know that by now

Either way, welcome to Pakistan, where Sharia law rules the land.

[Kuntantee]

Pedophilia is common in the third world.

Turkey is not 3rd world, yet it's common in Islamist groups within the country.

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Pedophilia is defined differently by different cultures.

I don't care how people define it. Old (+23-25) fucks craving for children (-16) is pedophile enough for me and this is common among Islamist fuckers.

[enragedgorilla]

Yeah but they aren't brown so it's np.

CA doesn't . If either of you is under eighteen (18) years of age, you will need to make an appointment with a counselor, appear before a superior court judge, show certified copies of your birth certificates, and have one parent appear with you when you apply for the marriage license.

Whites ...are the second largest ethic group in Cali.
Shoots that "they aren't brown" horse poo down a bit...

[igualitarist]

Pedophilia is common in the third world.

Any data to support this ?

I live in a third world country and pedophilia is not a common thing here. Is not common in countries like Argentina, Uruguay, Chile...

Sure, it happens, but is it really more common in those countries than in Europe or U.S ?

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Turkey is not 3rd world, yet it's common in Islamist groups within the country.

So, Turkey and Brazil have similar social indicators (hdi, poverty, life expentacy, illiteracy, gnp per capta...) and Turkey is not a third world and Brazil is ??

Why is that ?

edit: the only relevant social indicator i found Brazil is way below Turkey is homicide rating.

[Fencers]

There are places in the US that allow marriage with parental or judicial consent at 12 or 13 years old, iirc. Fairly liberal states too, like Massachusetts.

And if the girl is pregnant; consent is not needed in some US states.

Practically speaking, the clerics in the article are somewhat correct. Puberty is all that is required for sexual relations and historically that seems to be true. Marriage is a social thing and as such can vary by culture and custom greatly.

Even if the practice of marrying and/or having sexual relations with young person is distasteful to many Westerns (and to me personally); from a biological perspective I can not say age as an arbitrary cutoff for when sexual relationships can be engaged is an effective measure of anything.

From a personal point of view, this practice is repulsive to me.

[Independent voter]

There are places in the US that allow marriage with parental or judicial consent at 12 or 13 years old, iirc. Fairly liberal states too, like Massachusetts..

Yes, Arkansas, Mississippi and Germany I think.

[TirielWoW]

There are places in the US that allow marriage with parental or judicial consent at 12 or 13 years old, iirc. Fairly liberal states too, like Massachusetts.

And if the girl is pregnant; consent is not needed in some US states.

Practically speaking, the clerics in the article are somewhat correct. Puberty is all that is required for sexual relations and historically that seems to be true. Marriage is a social thing and as such can vary by culture and custom greatly.

Even if the practice of marrying and/or having sexual relations with young person is distasteful to many Westerns (and to me personally); from a biological perspective I can not say age as an arbitrary cutoff for when sexual relationships can be engaged is an effective measure of anything.

From a personal point of view, this practice is repulsive to me.

Biologically, it may be possible, but I feel like you are downplaying the increased risks to the child that are the basis of laws against child marriage.

It's not about moral outrage, though moral outrage is totally understandable. It's about things like fistula being more common in underage girls who become pregnant because their bodies just aren't ready to be giving birth and having sex with full-grown adults. Underage girls are more likely to die in childbirth, or suffer multiple miscarriage, or other severe complications while pregnant.

There's also the question of emotional maturity, and an underage girl's ability to cope with the demands placed upon her as a child bride. And the fact that girls who are married underage tend not to get an education, which means they tend to have more children they cannot support. And, they are completely dependent on their spouses for support.

Child marriage is absolutely harmful to the child or children involved. And not just because having sex with underage girls is fucking sick.

[Aeula]

Cis white men are to blame for this somehow!

But in all seriousness, is anyone really surprised it failed?

[Rennadrel]

It's not uncommon in the first world either.

Yeah but you go to jail for it, it's a culturally accepted practice in the third world.

[JohnBrown1917]

It's not uncommon in the first world either.

Some countries are far worse though. Russia is infamous for it large production of underground child porn... or was that Ukraine? I keep confusing which one it is.

[Pengekaer]

Pedophilia is an issue everywhere, but there's a huge difference between society universally condemning it like in the west, making it up to the authorities to stop - and parts of society openly being in favor of it like in countries where marrying girls as young as 9 is practiced in some circles.

This is a retarded level of deflection.

I can relate to his point. I do think the Western world is far more progressed - intellectually - than the Islamic. The news of this thread being one example of many.
That being said, we westerners should IMO look out for ourselves first and foremost as we cannot (succesfully) force our beliefs and views upon the third world. Such attempts will always fail and I would rather we don't bother in the first place.
Yes, it is disgusting and fucking terrible but if the average pakistani male can convince himself that this is OK, then why am I obliged to try to change that? Marrying very young girls and have them give birth early is a perfect subjugation tool used widely in the islamic world. Nothing we can do about it imo.
However, when these fucking pigs try to come to Europe (like England http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-s...shire-28934963 ) I would rather that we ban at all costs. At gunpoint, if need be.

[Sunseeker]

Sounds like child marriage is already illegal, it's just not enforced. The legal age of marriage is apparently 16 anyway. So this sounds like more of a social issue than a legal one, which is going to take a lot more than a new law to fix.

[Tijuana]

Most states in the US allow marriage at 16, with parental permission. I don't see the issue here, other than the puberty statement, which per the article is not the actual law.

[Speaker]

While I believe 16 is too young to be married - it's important to note this isn't exactly a low age compared to other nations

In the US certain states allow marriage at 15 for example and the vast majority allow at 16.

Massachusetts allows marriage at age 12....

Did you miss the part about the marriages being arranged? IE the females are being married against their will, and they are too young to get out of that kind of situation on their own. At least at 18 they may have more opportunities to get away from that. Secondly, you mention the age rates in the US as if it is somehow okay. Maybe people should be fighting for change here then too? I don't exactly know what rate arranged marriages occur in the US, but I'm sure it's peanuts compared to Pakistan, and I'm sure the girls have more say in the matter than over there.

[Tijuana]

Did you miss the part about the marriages being arranged? IE the females are being married against their will, and they are too young to get out of that kind of situation on their own. At least at 18 they may have more opportunities to get away from that. Secondly, you mention the age rates in the US as if it is somehow okay. Maybe people should be fighting for change here then too? I don't exactly know what rate arranged marriages occur in the US, but I'm sure it's peanuts compared to Pakistan, and I'm sure the girls have more say in the matter than over there.

You are literally berating someone because they didn't say something you wanted them to say. That's pretty strange behavior, imo.

[Pengekaer]

Yes, Arkansas, Mississippi and Germany I think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age#Europe

Germany is 18 years unless parental permission is given (then 16). However, if Germany continues it's current immigration policy, that age could soon drop to 13 xD

[Fencers]

Biologically, it may be possible, but I feel like you are downplaying the increased risks to the child that are the basis of laws against child marriage. <snip>

Fair points. I only meant to address the line of the article which talked about the reasoning behind the cleric's statement.

I did not intend to lessen the harm sexual relations and marriage may cause to young children and adults.

[igualitarist]

It greatly annoys me how people here think everything is allowed in third world countries, and everything that is bad is normal in those countries. As if every third world country were the same, had the same cultures, laws, religions and problems. As if every third world country were populated only by uncivilized savages. That's just stupid.

[Rukh]

Marriage should be illegal before 30.

[primalmatter]

It greatly annoys me how people here think everything is allowed in third world countries, and everything that is bad is normal in those countries. As if every third world country were the same, had the same cultures, laws and problems. As if every third world country were populated only by uncivilized savages. That's just stupid.

It's really not...

Where ever force rules the strongest rule. Without a force to enforce laws in practice they don't exist. Welcome to your future.

Pro tip: Buy a gun and learn how to use it properly.