DEMONOLOGY - Doom Nerf/Impending Doom

[Elexx]

Unfortunately I quit for close to 2 months so I'm still working to get my last 2 points into my demo weap to get 35th trait. I can't f***ing believe they nerfed anything regarding demo. It honestly boggles my mind. They're pretty much forcing rerole's to aff. That being said, I guess I'll be building up my aff weap after I hit the 35th. In the meantime, what does everything think about this? Will you all be taking Imp Doom or DS now?

[Galbatroix]

What nerf? Impending Doom should probably only be taken if you have the Kazzak belt. And as far as Demos "nerfs" i'd say the 20% increase in felguard DMG makes Service REALLY nice and Syngery more in line with it (with its nerf). Overall i think we are in a great place, they just need to fix Demonic Empowerment its such a clunky spell and is the only thing that makes Demo warlocks right now annoying.

[Deleted]

They are not nerfing Demonology though. Why do you think that?

[Deleted]

Demo has been buffed not nerfed

[Elexx]

Demonbolt was nerfed. Synergy was nerfed. Doom's time was nerfed. Those aren't bufffs, so they are nerfs @ Wrath. Galb, I do have the Kazzak belt. The only thing I'm noticing is having to cast DE more (if I really want to empower the 1 imp ID spawns). What's the best way to play Service? I haven't used it before.

[Deleted]

Demonbolt was nerfed. Synergy was nerfed.

This is true, these two talants is nerfed to balance out the 20% buff on your pet. If you do the math the nerf is about as big as the nerf.
What this means is that the 2 talents are the same and all other talents passivly are buffed. We will also do more passive damage while moving now.

Doom's time was nerfed.

You can choose a talent that reduces the duration on Doom. This is a BUFF though. I mean I don't understand how you can think it's a nerf when our strongest hitting spell, hits more often.

[Elexx]

Yes, they balanced things, but there were nerfs. I was just stating fact. I'm not seeing a huge difference on the target dummies at the moment. Should I still be taking ID over ID now because I have the Kazzak belt? ... and Service feels clunky to me, especially trying to use it in an opener to setup TKC.

[Lucrece]

Just stay unsubbed and stop trolling the forums. I don't understand how a guy who hasn't even hit 35 artifact power is going around making declarations about the state of a spec.

[Elexx]

Also, I don't see anything in the official patch notes about a 20% increase in Felguard damage. It's listed nowhere. Can you link it to me @Galb?

Nevermind. Bad eyes. I gotcha.

[Deleted]

This is what you wrote:

I can't f***ing believe they nerfed demo.

That is the opposite of

I was just stating fact.

Because they are not nerfing demo.

[Deleted]

Imp, Succubus, Voidwalker, Felhunter, and Felguard damage increased by

The very first thing on the Warlock notes

Also it says no where that doom was nerfed

[gondoro]

Dude pls read the patch notes i will post them for you ...lets calculate.

Demonbolt damage bonus is now 18% (was 20%). here what you see i just asking ... so if you see some logs Demonbolt are close 85% from your DPS, so from your DPS how % you loose here ... you can alone find the answer.

Grimoire of Synergy bonus damage is now 25% (was 40%). here proc are 15 sec on every min that meant you get 10% buff for all time (15 sec from 60 are 1/4 40/4 =10) here u get close half % nerf so the mats say you will not get 10% buff now u will get 5.5%

now we go for Legendary items here guys is the big NERF

(Demonology) Sin'dorei Spite: For 25 seconds after casting Summon Doomguard or Summon Infernal, you and your minions deal 15% (was 30%) increased damage
Mats again

CD on Summon Doomguard or Summon Infernal is 3 min... for 9 min (because are easy for calculate) you can use this 3 times for 25 sec. This is 1 min and 15 sec
you get 30% DMG buff for 9 min fight u get close 3% to your DPS now you will have 1,5%

and if you calculate all % ...are close 10% DPS nerf
if you make 320k not u will go on last 288k ... you can't go on Mythic raids any more

[Deleted]

Dude pls read the patch notes i will post them for you ...lets calculate.

Demonbolt damage bonus is now 18% (was 20%). here what you see i just asking ... so if you see some logs Demonbolt are close 85% from your DPS, so from your DPS how % you loose here ... you can alone find the answer.

Grimoire of Synergy bonus damage is now 25% (was 40%). here proc are 15 sec on every min that meant you get 10% buff for all time (15 sec from 60 are 1/4 40/4 =10) here u get close half % nerf so the mats say you will not get 10% buff now u will get 5.5%

now we go for Legendary items here guys is the big NERF

(Demonology) Sin'dorei Spite: For 25 seconds after casting Summon Doomguard or Summon Infernal, you and your minions deal 15% (was 30%) increased damage
Mats again

CD on Summon Doomguard or Summon Infernal is 3 min... for 9 min (because are easy for calculate) you can use this 3 times for 25 sec. This is 1 min and 15 sec
you get 30% DMG buff for 9 min fight u get close 3% to your DPS now you will have 1,5%

and if you calculate all % ...are close 10% DPS nerf
if you make 320k not u will go on last 288k ... you can't go on Mythic raids any more

You have to remember though, not everyone has those bracers, so you can't really include them

[Deleted]

you will not get 10% buff now u will get 5.5%

The problem with people like you are that you see this 5,5% nerf (that you claim) and forget that it only affects 60% of the overall damage you do. So it's not 5,5% nerf it's in that case 2,7%.

You also don't calculate that when the pet now do 20% more damage, it also gets buffed more by synergy + artifact trait + you do this damage while moving etc etc.

Demonbolt are close 85% from your DPS

Demonbolt do around 12% of your overall damage...


To claim that Demo warlocks will do 10% less dps require way more evidence than that. Logs, anything else is just opinions.

Personally I will play the game tomorrow and compare my logs.

[Drakile]

With all the tweaks the classes went under with the secondary stat balance, added to the balancing of the power legendaries and the "balancing" of synergy I gotta say demo just feels worse it certainly doesn't feel buffed.

To go from a 65%(With Syn and Spite) to 40%(with both) just does not feel great. I am not behind the pack by any means but I am certainly not where I was pre 7.1.5

That being said TKS discord QoL still pretty nice

[kaid]

This is true, these two talants is nerfed to balance out the 20% buff on your pet. If you do the math the nerf is about as big as the nerf.
What this means is that the 2 talents are the same and all other talents passivly are buffed. We will also do more passive damage while moving now.


You can choose a talent that reduces the duration on Doom. This is a BUFF though. I mean I don't understand how you can think it's a nerf when our strongest hitting spell, hits more often.

No kidding doom only does damage when it ends. If you have a talent that can make it end 3 seconds sooner that is huge especially given how hard it hits.

[Eleriol]

Demonbolt was nerfed. Synergy was nerfed. Doom's time was nerfed. Those aren't bufffs, so they are nerfs @ Wrath. Galb, I do have the Kazzak belt. The only thing I'm noticing is having to cast DE more (if I really want to empower the 1 imp ID spawns). What's the best way to play Service? I haven't used it before.

Its a buff overall and a nerf on specific spells. Did a few dummy tests and as far as i can tell i gained dps after the patch. We didnt get the qol changes we wanted but well be fine for a while i guess.

[Deleted]

So now I have played the game, I don't do sims or stuff like that.

In EN hc I do a little more damage with the same gear and talents (the talents that got nerfed).

For example on Ursoc I did before patch 476k dps and today 510k dps, both was at 97%. Only difference since then is that I have 1 Artifact Power more for 0,5% extra damage. On Nythendra 505k vs 515k at 875 ilvl.
On Helya HC when I used shadowflame, implosion and darkglare I did before patch 348k dps, and today 413k.


So when I play demonology it is not nerfed, it is buffed.

[Octa]

Doom's time was nerfed. Those aren't bufffs, so they are nerfs

Except that is a buff and you simply don't understand how it works. It's also a talent.

[Deleted]

I sim 40k less dps since the patch from 596 to 559 - mainly because bracers are getting nerfed, demon bolt nerfed, secondary stats nerfed, arans ruby nerfed and synergy being replaced with service isn't pulling the weight.

I can only see this getting worse since none of our tools have been improved meaning on progression we might be forced to go affliction or destruction.