Windfury ICD

[Hippofish]

That's something we have discussed (only fast daggers), but the valuation of weapon speed is heavily tied into combat mechanics and those might still change. For example, we've been considering that nasty ICD on Windfury weapon again....

Blue post from front page today on the subject of "Getting rid of weapon speed" I think this is pretty interesting...I'd like to see the ICD come down a bit.

[Nikoll]

That would be lovely and would definitly help close the gap between balance/ret and enh.

[lildave151]

Yea, I think it is certainly something worth looking at however they try to balance it out.

[Bromium]

I'll be pleased if they just remove the cooldown when using 2H, but if they remove it entirely... :-)

[Deleted]

Yea, it needs to be lower.
Removing it completely would be overpowered (yet really fun ).
Just a video in ulduar gear without ICD (bugged ptr) = insane dps

[Deleted]

Aye does look promising. Unless they nerf it to hell it will never be removed, but it being reduced would be fun.

[Foxhoundn]

this might fight with flametongue on offhand with WF/WF... but thats a lot of months ahead testing, simming and theorycrafting.

[The Ogdru Jahad]

blizzard is just afraid of me 1 shotting people in pvp with chain windfury procs. Bring it on.

[xGLxAnubis]

Why don't they remove the ICD, and either reduce the proc chance or the damage done?

hell, remove the ICD NOW, or drop it by quite a bit. It's not like Enhance DPS is something ridiculous -.-

[Zarios]

Why don't they remove the ICD, and either reduce the proc chance or the damage done?

hell, remove the ICD NOW, or drop it by quite a bit. It's not like Enhance DPS is something ridiculous -.-

Do you know how OP that would be? And enhancement dps is fine atm.. atleast for me

[saberon]

Why don't they remove the ICD, and either reduce the proc chance or the damage done?

hell, remove the ICD NOW, or drop it by quite a bit. It's not like Enhance DPS is something ridiculous -.-

Even if they reduced the chance or damage one, having WF able to proc off procs would be absurd.

[Endus]

Even if they reduced the chance or damage one, having WF able to proc off procs would be absurd.

I don't think they need to reduce the chance or the damage. There's no reason to nerf Windfury. If you lower the proc chance, you're lowering the DPS contribution from Windfury, period. That you might get a lucky streak of them in a short period is irrelevant, especially since it can't be controlled.

Remove the ICD, prevent Windfury bonus attacks from being able to proc Windfury themselves. Perfect.

[Foxhoundn]

Do you know how OP that would be? And enhancement dps is fine atm.. atleast for me

Ofc its fine for you, when you havent step to ICC25HM...

[Askold]

blizzard has some challenges with enhancement:

1) enchants in pve have to be wf/ft, not wf\wf or ft\ft, it is problem with balance of physical and magic damage
solution is easy, enhance should not benefit from spell power as it is now, only ap have to influence on our damage

2) enchants in pvp have to be wf/fb, not wf\wf or wf\ft, it is problem with balance of frostbrand, flametongue and windfury damage in pve and pvp

3) windfury should not be 'oneshoting', that's why now Stormstrike damage isn't amplified by talents and we have 3 sec cooldown on wf

I hope blizzard can solve this problems finally cause they did it throughout all Wotlk and i don't like how they done it

[Barky]

Dual Wield Talent
We're not quite ready to talk about it yet, but imagine that the DW talent is accesible to Enhance early enough to be useful but not to Elemental and Resto. We're also looking at making enchants unique, which would let us drop the WF internal cooldown low enough that fast weapons might be more attractive

Newest blue post, what's your feeling on this? personally I really don't want to use fast weapons, I like using 2.6 speed. But from that blue comment, are they saying that it would still be better to use a slow weapon, however you can use a fast weapon until you get a slow one of the same item level?

[Foxhoundn]

Dual Wield Talent
We're not quite ready to talk about it yet, but imagine that the DW talent is accesible to Enhance early enough to be useful but not to Elemental and Resto. We're also looking at making enchants unique, which would let us drop the WF internal cooldown low enough that fast weapons might be more attractive

Newest blue post, what's your feeling on this? personally I really don't want to use fast weapons, I like using 2.6 speed. But from that blue comment, are they saying that it would still be better to use a slow weapon, however you can use a fast weapon until you get a slow one of the same item level?

Source? // OH LOL NVM havent checked main page today yet

Also it says "which would let us drop the WF internal cooldown low enough that fast weapons might be more attractive". Dont see any mention about getting slow weapon of the same ilvl would benefit more. But if blizz forces us to use fast offhand as it was in naxx, i kinda dont have nothing against it.

[Gray_Matter]

That's something we have discussed (only fast daggers), but the valuation of weapon speed is heavily tied into combat mechanics and those might still change. For example, we've been considering that nasty ICD on Windfury weapon again....

Blue post from front page today on the subject of "Getting rid of weapon speed" I think this is pretty interesting...I'd like to see the ICD come down a bit.

I would have the ICD change with haste. The higher your haste, the lower the ICD.

[Askold]

I would have the ICD change with haste. The higher your haste, the lower the ICD.

internal CD will not be affected by haste ever and it's so as it have to be

[Samin]

I'm pretty sure blizzard wants us to use wf/ft or they wouldn't give use a damage bonus on lavalash if ft is on the offhand. It should also support the "elemental" aspect of enhancement (who would otherwise only use nature spells)
This design could of course change if they decide to put LvB on maelstorm proc :P and with cata fs will become attractive too I guess. I still doubt blizzard will go away from wf/ft for enh.

[Oneleg]

Why don't they remove the ICD, and either reduce the proc chance or the damage done?

hell, remove the ICD NOW, or drop it by quite a bit. It's not like Enhance DPS is something ridiculous -.-

Without the ICD you could and would see what happened in Vanilla. A shaman running around with a big 2 hander possibly "1 shotting" raid bosses if the stars aligned. It will probably go down to something like 1.5 - 2 sec vs 3 sec if they decide to even try it on a test realm.

Would be fun though. But I dont see how fast weapons would be that great, unless they plan to redo how you factor out the damage.