Paladin Tier 2 is a problem..

[fireblade]

Really?

We need 2 of those to be viable. We have to give up all our CC for a snare? WTF?

[Thetruth1400]

Holy massive picture batman.

Side note, you don't NEED either of them. I agree that it might be a little rough to not have a CC if you want that snare, but in PvP CCs diminish quite fast anyway.

[fireblade]

Holy massive picture batman.

Side note, you don't NEED either of them. I agree that it might be a little rough to not have a CC if you want that snare, but in PvP CCs diminish quite fast anyway.

Yea.. we do...

You either play a melee class with no snare (not even soj in it's current form) vs playing a class with no CC's AT ALL..

Fuck that..

[Solidseal]

Its already a day old (not even) and people are cursing and swearing around . just wat a WHOLE year maybe longer ... things will change ..

[Velestro]

as another not u will probably still have HoJ so now we get two stuns HoJ and FoJ if u do pick FoJ. 2 stuns? yes plz

[Deleted]

Its already a day old (not even) and people are cursing and swearing around . just wat a WHOLE year maybe longer ... things will change ..

Well some choices are from our current knowledge about as retarded as it gets. Rogue got likewise a hit with Shadowstep and Premedition beeing on same tier.

From the whole package only good thing was monk class and pokemon. Pandaren race is cute but i could live without it, since they can be both alliance and horde it will only make pvp more complicated

[Eon Drache]

as another not u will probably still have HoJ so now we get two stuns HoJ and FoJ if u do pick FoJ. 2 stuns? yes plz

They already stated Fist of Justice is Hammer of Justice. Just a new name.

[Solidseal]

Well some choices are from our current knowledge about as retarded as it gets. Rogue got likewise a hit with Shadowstep and Premedition beeing on same tier.

From the whole package only good thing was monk class and pokemon. Pandaren race is cute but i could live without it, since they can be both alliance and horde it will only make pvp more complicated

How will Pandaren make PVP complicated? cuz of same Race?
PVP 101 - The enemy haz red names above the head and if you target them(mouse over it is) a sword appears.

[Deleted]

They already stated Fist of Justice is Hammer of Justice. Just a new name.

Can you please point me where they said that ?

[Deleted]

You do realise you're complaining about something that's in not finalized in an expansion that isn't even in beta yet? Seriously. You have no idea what other changes they'll make to make paladin's ok, but I tell you the fuck what. Blizzard aren't stupid.

[sondok]

Can you please point me where they said that ?

It was in the live stream.

At 4 hours 13 mins 45 seconds into the full video stream of the day (just start the talent discussion vid and scroll to where it says 4 hours 13)


"Fist of Justice replaces Hammer of Justice but is on a very short cooldown so you can just go around being the 'Stunadin' here..."

But yeah, the xpac isn't even in alpha so things will change when they see them in action, no doubt.

[autopsy]

How will Pandaren make PVP complicated? cuz of same Race?
PVP 101 - The enemy haz red names above the head and if you target them(mouse over it is) a sword appears.

Mind control > they nuke their own team mates :P
but seriously same race is a non-issue.

And like has been stated, these are first look at these changes. Also take note that most classes have to make similar choices like this.

[Shelly]

1. As stated it's not final.

2. Just about everyone - well at least melee - is probably going to be in the same boat from the screens I saw yesterday.

3. I get where Blizz is coming from with just now assigning a baseline toolkit to everyone and I approve.

[Deleted]

Change is scary, but product is not final. Keep your fingers crossed until the Beta is over.

[mtr]

Same as rogues have to choose between shadowstep and preparation.

Think about it: you lose either Repentance or HoJ, but gain pet combat. Fair trade, imo ;p

[Rhoe]

"Fist of Justice replaces Hammer of Justice but is on a very short cooldown so you can just go around being the 'Stunadin' here..."

To me it sounds like you will get hammer of justice baseline, but if you pick this talent you will lose it and get this new stun with a shorter cd instead.

[Eon Drache]

To me it sounds like you will get hammer of justice baseline, but if you pick this talent you will lose it and get this new stun with a shorter cd instead.

Talents that actually replace something else stated that in the tooltips. Granted, not final so we could end up getting both, or Fist as baseline, but as it is, First of Justice is the new Hammer of Justice.

[Deleted]

Same as rogues have to choose between shadowstep and preparation.

Think about it: you lose either Repentance or HoJ, but gain pet combat. Fair trade, imo ;p

ehh what, gouge/sap/blind/ks got removed or?

[Lilyania]

He said Shadowstep and Prep. Gouge sap blind was not even said in his post.
And no, they are not being removed.

ehh what, gouge/sap/blind/ks got removed or?

[rxf]

Lets be honest, you dont need the cc, you would much rather have the slow. Imagine how good you will be, freedom into a slow you would have a crazy ammount of uptime.