Is it against the rules to go AFK in the middle of a dungeon?

[Ealyssa]

JP gear is 371, and therefor better as EVERY single loot in random dungeons (outside trinkets).

Going in a random overgeared is called optimisation in my books, OP is just dumb asking blue PVE geared. Player quality isn't tied to his gear, someone doing crap in PVP gear will also do crap in PVE gear (my full PVP hunter alt does 18-20k in randoms, I won't do better in 346 blue).

[Deleted]

Yeah, except you would be excluding people that can perform their roles perfectly fine. On my feral druid, I have full PvP gear except for trinkets, and I can pull 20k dps fairly easily. I also can and do tank heroics effectively. Should I be left out of LFD just because I'm not using PvE gear, or should I be forced to farm lower level PvE gear that is a downgrade for me?

Farm honor points, convert it to justice points, buy epic gear from JP vendor.

[Deleted]

Sure you can go afk as much as you want, it's just a dungeon.

the trick is to do as little as possible but not get kicked, alternatively kick someone else but write for example "kick the hunter" (when you're the hunter but in reality you're kicking some other random)
and then they can't kick you again because blizzards system is fucked up

it's almost a bit overpowered hehehe

[Firebert]

So what I do in those situations is that I go AFK and hopefully they'll all end up leaving. Sometimes they can kick me and sometimes they can't. If they can't. they report me or leave. So my question is: Can I get banned for it?

Yes, simply because this can be construed as griefing, and also because Blizzard can ban you for anything they like.

[Shekita]

Naw, you can't get banned for it, but it's a totally douche move.

As someone that started doing heroics in pvp gear [and doing 18k dps I might add], I got tired of carrying all the bratty, bitching and moaning people that complain about my gear, while I do twice their dps.

Also...your plan is horribly flawed, if YOU go afk, what makes you think the person in PVP gear is going to leave?

Honestly...I think blizzard needs to do something about people like YOU. I consider people like you 10x worse than someone that joins in pvp gear.

I'd also like to mention, I've had better experiences with people in pvp gear, than ones in bought boe's and fail blues.

I still think Blizzard needs to get rid of the 15 minute rule in the beginning, because people that go AFK in dungeons are just dbags.
If ~YOU~ don't like it...~you~ should leave, not anyone else.

[scadouche]

What I meant with PvP gear is the blue shizzle from crafting.

Although, epic quality PvP gear doesn't exactly make things any better.

I run heroic firelands 6/7 with my warlock in pvp helm/shoulder and compete on the charts.

[loki504]

its not against the rules.

But join a dungeon and go afk on purpose time after time will give you a suspention.

[Mammoth]

Blizzard should remove ilvl from pvp gear ... cuz what the point ? You need ilvl to enter dungeon or to queue for LFR, but for pvp ? People always measuring each other by rating or amount of resilence.

Think you've failed the brains test on how gearing works here. I'll start by saying that ilvl is a system that has always existed and merely counts the number of stat points, whether they're useful or not. So we should think in terms of PvE level instead.

A piece of PvP gear will have the same Stam/Str/Agi/Int amount as a regular piece of gear at that level. All pieces of gear have two secondary stats in addition to these primary stats. What makes PvP gear, is that one of these secondary stats must be resiliance. The other secondary stat is still Spi/Hit/Exp/Crit/Haste.

The PvE level of the PvP gear is not zero. It is less that it's ilvl, because resilance is useless, but definitely not zero because the other stats are still there.

More often than not, primary stats are the most valuable stats to a dps player. By comparing the relative weighting of each stat, you may find that an epic piece of gear with resiliance is still superior to a 346 blue.

Furthermore, if a player is heavily into PvP and has no PvE gear to speak of, when he decides to do some PvE, where should he obtain the gear? Should he buy greens on the AH, they're going to be worse than his PvP epics for sure.

What you really want to say is that Blizz should develop a usefulness rating, that applies to both PvE and PvP instances. This rating assesses the stats you have in a gear set and determines whether it is useful enough to get into the content. When doing PvE resiliance stats are worth zero, and while doing PvP resiliance stats are worth a lot.

Personally, I would prefer if people just used their brains and made sure the content they were attempting is at their level. However, I feel half the problem is that players expect too much from other players. At the end of Wrath we had rage at players doing less than 5k, despite 2k dps being the Naxx 10 entry level during 4.0.

[Musta Kyy]

For every (at least the most!) classes 371 pvp gear is better than 330 blue gear .. and 329 is the itemlevel needed. For several classes 371 pvp gear is even better then 346 stuff.

Not the question to your answer? - Right, but the answer to the question you should have asked.

I will not start the diskussion about "Many ppl doing more dmg/healing better in bad gear, then several in good gear."

For some classes 371 set pieces are pretty much equal to 359s, remember that when you have 2 vicious you get +70 mainstat and +90 when you have 4, I rather have ppl with vicious or even bloodthirsty set than with 346s..

Ruthless items are even better, 2x ruthless (with the set bonus) can be equal or even better than 2 nonset 378s, good example of this are druid tanks, agi and armor are pretty much the best stats, and 383 ruthless has more of both than 2 nonset 378s would have, resi indeed takes one secondary stat away, but most of the 378s for druids have haste as second secondary stat, so losing that isnt enough to make it better (even with reforging).

[Miralynn]

I still think Blizzard needs to get rid of the 15 minute rule in the beginning, because people that go AFK in dungeons are just dbags.
If ~YOU~ don't like it...~you~ should leave, not anyone else.

Amen to this. Or they should make the 'Away' designation act the same as being DC'd or out of the instance, and allow you to boot them with no penalty after a very short time.

[akaTheDude]

I wish they would ban your account for life.......I HATE when people do this. If you dont like the group...LEAVE!!

[Deleted]

Aslong as they pull their weight, I could not care any less what gear they got on.. They could be naked for all that I care.. =) 10k Dps should be JUST fine for Za/Zg seeing as it was fine for 359 Raids

If they do not know the tacts.. Then explain.. Don't become an Elitist prick like so many others out there are =) We have all been new to this type of game at some point..

[CynicalOtaku]

Or another solution: Balance the dungeons with an ilvl-check - if you're 375 ilvl, you get a group of people with about the same.

I know that good gear doesn't always mean you're doing good DPS, but it sure as hell does increase the odds.

Pretty sure blizz has already stated that they try to build groups with gear disparity...

Honestly, when I'm farming satchels I run pretty quiet. If dps is exceptionally low (3-4k in a 4.0 H) I'll comment, but as long as the run is going wipe free and the DPS are keeping up with me...I really couldn't care less.

I'll usually give the group one wipe after posting how we screwed up. If I get crap from the DPS for moving too fast, or because they don't like that I said they screwed up, then I drop then. Otherwise I drop after the second wipe. Really not worth raging or qqing or anything over. Granted, I can be really snarky when I get stupid excuses...

I've been running the damn things since cata hit. They've been nerfed so badly (and I outgear the content so much) that I can usually pull the group through most emergencies. I mean, the whole point of the satchel system is to get tanks (and healers) like me into the system to carry groups. When I want smooth easy runs and guaranteed orbs I put a full group together. When I'm farming satchels I know I'ma be earning 'em.

[Deleted]

Easy solution. Leave. There is 4 other people in the group whom may be quite happy to run the 5 man together as is. Why take your displeasure for the situation out on people that may not actually have an issue with it, YOU have an issue, YOU have to leave. It actually makes YOU look worse doing what you are doing. Yes, you will get the CD but if you've made your bed, by clicking LFD, you got to accept it may not go to your liking and lie in it.

If you want an assured group, make it yourself and don't use a tool that randomly selects things and then act like an ar*ehole when the random doesn't work in your favour.

[gobtol]

Farm honor points, convert it to justice points, buy epic gear from JP vendor.

So even though I'm able to perform my role completely fine, and better than the people wearing full heroic 346 gear, I should be forced to farm another full set of gear from honor/JP just to enter?

[CynicalOtaku]

So even though I'm able to perform my role completely fine, and better than the people wearing full heroic 346 gear, I should be forced to farm another full set of gear from honor/JP just to enter?

The OP sees mouthbreathers wearing PvP gear and decides PvP gear is the problem, not the players.

Making PvP gear useless for the LFD system won't make the mouthbreathers any better players.

[Deleted]

So even though I'm able to perform my role completely fine, and better than the people wearing full heroic 346 gear, I should be forced to farm another full set of gear from honor/JP just to enter?

Not at all. I don't mind people coming in PvP gear and doing good, but I do mind people coming in PvP gear and doing poorly - that goes for any gear they come with.

In most cases though, people in PvP gear are doing poorly in dungeons. I don't know why, but I assume it's because they've been focused on PvP that they never learned their PVE rotation.

[Taurenburger]

No, IF you intend to be back asap (please no longer than 5 minutes)
Yes, IF you intend to keep the others from clearing the dungeon (What you did).

[announced]

as an instance earlier

i q'd on my dk tank which has an ilvl of around 360 in tanking gear.
3 guildies join ( they are from a different server than me).. a retardin a frost dk and a holy pally .
the retardin dies twice on trash in ZG cause he cant figure out toxic link. then dies again at Venoxis cause of the same problem
the dk dies once on trash cause he couldnt move outta the breath of hethiss on the snake trash, and once again cause he fell off the edge of the bridge.
the holy pally dies once on on venoxis cause he didnt move for the bloodvenom. and dies again even after i res'd him.

so far the deathcounts up to 8 or 9 and im soloing the first boss. the non-guildie pug person leaves group cause he says he sees where this groups going. and the holy pally says "figures he sucks anyway he stood in the green stuff"

proceeding to the trash and 2nd boss.
the dk and retardin die again cause of the boulder event. luckily they survive the trash. and then enter the bossroom

this pallys in full pvp gear pulling a massive 6k dps.. the dks pulling 7
im doing 14 or 15k with my tank gear on.
luckily we also had a fire mage (/facepalm) doing 11k.. im still not sure he got in the dungeon with 70,000 base mana but anyway

after mandokir dies we end up going to the cat boss.

Bethekk: all 3 of the dps die to the tidal wave.. the holy pallys alive for another 20 seconds then dies.. i res him and hes alive for another 10.. dies again to the wave.

at this point the boss has 2.5m hp left and im spose to solo her.

in short i left the dungeon.

for a personal view id rather see someone hold a dungeon hostage to punish the bads then just carry them.

[CynicalOtaku]

In most cases though, people in PvP gear are doing poorly in dungeons. I don't know why, but I assume it's because they've been focused on PvP that they never learned their PVE rotation.

More likely the players just...aren't good. And if you're a well geared tank, you WILL find yourself with undergeared players. Blizzard has stated that their matchfinding system deliberately tries to put well geared players with low geared players. Don't like it? Don't pug it. Get a full group. Want those satchels? Suck it up and deal.