Patch 4.3.2 PTR Notes, 64-bit PTR Client, Blue Posts, The Daily Blink

[Kcdope]

The change to deterrence is for raiding.... as it stands, hunters have only two defensive cooldowns: one works against a very small number of effects (deterrence), and one requires both a glyph and being in melee (glyph of raptor strike). This lets hunters use deterrence the way ret pallys use divine protection, resto/balance/cat druids use barkskin, mages use mage ward, warlocks use nether/shadow ward, rogues use feint/cloak of shadows..... etc.

Hmm... as a fury/arms warrior the only damage mitigating cooldown i have is changing stances, throwing on a shield, and using shield wall... and that alone has a 5 minute CD. IMO dps warriors should have at least one damage mitigating CD, since Enraged regen does not stop incoming damage it only heals you after the fact.

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Mages have been OP in PvP since ever. I'm all for toning frost down in PvP. But hey...that has nothing to do with this nerf. You're a moron.

Fire's problem is how Blizzard is handling how their DPS works, not the actual numbers. Fix that and Fire stabilizes. The insane numbers fire puts out has to do with...oh wait I already mentioned all this my post you quoted...but again you're a moron and don't actually read.

Arcane is so horribly boring I played a resto druid and gave up my pre-determined spot for the Firelands legendary. If Arcane becomes the only viable spec (which it obviously will), like I said before (yep, you definitely are illiterate) I'd be shelving my mage.

Just focus on mitigating your butthurt rage over the vengeance nerf. I, at least, provided solutions to correctly fixing Fire's damage. All you did was rage at what you saw on the meters, but you're not familiar with logic so that's understandable.

Arcane is only boring if have no desire to go deeper and do more than your average 11111211112 spammer. There are actually a lot of fine points to it, such as, unlike many classes, putting your out-of-game resources heavily into the game (mana pool management, arcane specific cooldowns timing, dps phases timing (there are 3: Mini Burn, Main Burn, Mana Conserve).
And now with T13 another factor of Arcane Power for Mini Burns comes into play.

I spent hundreds of hours raiding as arcane last patch and I never stopped having maximum fun with it.

People only flame Arcane for being a 1 button class because its modern and fun and because they don't know any better but it is every day that you see Arcane Mages do 15k dps while you are pulling 40 on yours.

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Mages have been OP in PvP since ever. I'm all for toning frost down in PvP. But hey...that has nothing to do with this nerf. You're a moron.

Fire's problem is how Blizzard is handling how their DPS works, not the actual numbers. Fix that and Fire stabilizes. The insane numbers fire puts out has to do with...oh wait I already mentioned all this my post you quoted...but again you're a moron and don't actually read.

Arcane is so horribly boring I played a resto druid and gave up my pre-determined spot for the Firelands legendary. If Arcane becomes the only viable spec (which it obviously will), like I said before (yep, you definitely are illiterate) I'd be shelving my mage.

Just focus on mitigating your butthurt rage over the vengeance nerf. I, at least, provided solutions to correctly fixing Fire's damage. All you did was rage at what you saw on the meters, but you're not familiar with logic so that's understandable.

Arcane is only boring if have no desire to go deeper and do more than your average 11111211112 spammer. There are actually a lot of fine points to it, such as, unlike many classes, putting your out-of-game resources heavily into the game (mana pool management, arcane specific cooldowns timing, dps phases timing (there are 3: Mini Burn, Main Burn, Mana Conserve).
And now with T13 another factor of Arcane Power for Mini Burns comes into play.

I spent hundreds of hours raiding as arcane last patch and I never stopped having maximum fun with it.

People only flame Arcane for being a 1 button class because its modern and fun and because they don't know any better but it is every day that you see Arcane Mages do 15k dps while you are pulling 40 on yours.

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Arcane is so horribly boring I played a resto druid and gave up my pre-determined spot for the Firelands legendary. If Arcane becomes the only viable spec (which it obviously will), like I said before (yep, you definitely are illiterate) I'd be shelving my mage.

Arcane is only boring if have no desire to go deeper and do more than your average 11111211112 spammer. There are actually a lot of fine points to it, such as, unlike many classes, putting your out-of-game resources heavily into the game (mana pool management, arcane specific cooldowns timing, dps phases timing (there are 3: Mini Burn, Main Burn, Mana Conserve).
And now with T13 another factor of Arcane Power for Mini Burns comes into play.

I spent hundreds of hours raiding as arcane last patch and I never stopped having maximum fun with it.

People only flame Arcane for being a 1 button class because its modern and fun and because they don't know any better but it is every day that you see Arcane Mages do 15k dps while you are pulling 40 on yours.

[Ealyssa]

Hmm... as a fury/arms warrior the only damage mitigating cooldown i have is changing stances, throwing on a shield, and using shield wall... and that alone has a 5 minute CD. IMO dps warriors should have at least one damage mitigating CD, since Enraged regen does not stop incoming damage it only heals you after the fact.

Give me your dps and I'll give you my bubble.

[Atreyes]

And yet the other two Warrior specs and Ret Paladins are underpowered as heck in comparison. That gives only a few options: Play a weak spec, or quit that character and play something else.

They probably could have just undone the 4.3 Vengeance changes in PvP situations to solve that issue. But no.

I disagree that ret is underpowered, sure the damage is pretty weak outside of wings, but the offhealing capability is insane, been messing about doing 2v2 with a friend and I often see 90-100k word of glory crits, the damage with wings up is still pretty awesome too, even after the hammer of faceroll nerf.

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Arcane is only boring if have no desire to go deeper and do more than your average 11111211112 spammer. There are actually a lot of fine points to it, such as, unlike many classes, putting your out-of-game resources heavily into the game (mana pool management, arcane specific cooldowns timing, dps phases timing (there are 3: Mini Burn, Main Burn, Mana Conserve).
And now with T13 another factor of Arcane Power for Mini Burns comes into play.

I spent hundreds of hours raiding as arcane last patch and I never stopped having maximum fun with it.

People only flame Arcane for being a 1 button class because its modern and fun and because they don't know any better but it is every day that you see Arcane Mages do 15k dps while you are pulling 40 on yours.

I agree with what your saying arcain can be fun if you play it right , but with the new life brought back in to the fire speck its gave people so much more options than before . im sure that these nerfs are comeing because blizz thinks all mages have the legendary or something. I have been really enjoying playing fire in raids again and would just like things to be left alone . if its not broken , why fix it ... Focus more on rogues and Dks a little bit more . And priest healing could do with a look at aswell as paladin healing . i feel sorry for shamys . there like a forgoten healing class.

but thats just my 2 pence .

[Rehgoth]

Well I agree with blood dks / other tanks in pvp are kind of overpowered in some cases, but still, they should gain SOME vengeance from taking damage of other players. It will affect their survival a lot in pvp. Lets say reducing vengeance by 50% in pvp, then I would be satisfied.

[Zekarus]

Fire mage nerfs?Nooooooo! And i just started throwing out decent numbers, lol

[greenn]

HEROICS, yes. I am able to enter and group with other 85s using Real-ID and both end up in the same place.

However, I cannot seem to run a lvl 60 friend on another realm through, say, Underbog to get a specific items. Nor can I run a 78 through Cata regulars to get 308 blues. Whenever I try making a real ID group then entering an instance, we both end up in separate instances. I admit I have not tried summon as my toons are in a bank guilds, but other people's attempt at summons have not worked when tried.

I'll try to test it further tho, I had always assumed you needed some mechanic like LFG to teleport people to the same place.

like i said ive had several friends run me through all levels of dungeons with real id. actually, i tested it in stockade just now and it worked fine.

[walexia]

And bye-bye what reminants of Warrior and non-Holy Paladin PvP was actually left. All because some idiot threatened to commit suicide because he got killed by a Blood DK.

stop trying to make it look like the other prots were in on it too, alot of prots became prots because they got tired of being able to do nothing against blood dk's

Tanks are overpowered as hell in PvP currently.

really? where is the prot warrior and prot pally qq?

[Difuid]

Hunter buffs and Mage nerfs. Am I dreaming?

Another fine specimen of the hunt@rd.

You know nothing of the mage spec. that is planned to get nerfed, the devs instead of fixing it's dependency on RNG that allows the massive damage spikes they reduce the baseline damage effecting the performance of the spec in all situations. You just mindlessly gloat..

[Airath]

Big deal, 1-2k dps less for fire mages.

[Deleted]

It is rogue and DK dps that is broken atm. and it is only gonna get worse.

Mage is only semi broken.

[Reddorreaux]

mage nerf thanks~!

[Deleted]

STOP nerfing holy paladins ffs.

[blitzkrieg3002]

they just reposted the blue on the home page here at MMO-Champ, and under mage it reads.

Mage (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Fire
•Fireball damage has been reduced by 6,3%
•Pyroblast damage has been reduced by 6,2%

why is it 6,3 do they mean 6.3? do they mean it was 6 now its 3? if it is infact 6.3 and 6.2 why did they get every other classes numbers correct with the decimal point and messed up on BOTH of ours. i highly doubt it's a typo... anyone know what this means?

[eazz]

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if they remove vengeance from pvp do they get somthing new or somthing ? since in every talent tree you get extra buffs like more damage with that and that but now u dont get any benefit from the vengeance in pvp can anyone answer me on the question if we do get somthing els as return ? or make some ideas what tanks could get in pvp in turn for the vengeance.